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evenflow
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posted 18 March 2003 01:38 PM      Profile for evenflow        Edit/Delete Post
Rachel Corrie, Nuha Sweidan and Israeli War Crimes

Well written article about the continuing war crimes being committed by the Israeli military.


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posted 19 March 2003 07:08 PM      Profile for Ice Foot     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
While everyone is focused on Iraq, the IDF killing machine just rolls on. Of course, it was the same when everyone was watching too. They are above the law.
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posted 20 March 2003 12:40 AM      Profile for Mishei     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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posted 20 March 2003 12:45 AM      Profile for Mycroft_     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
So is Israel going to use the war as cover to try to "transfer" the Palestinians?
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posted 20 March 2003 08:33 AM      Profile for Moses     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The Iraq war is Sharon's wet dream. As a cover, a distraction, and a pretext for stepped-up military incursions, demolishions, assassinations and "transfers". O Israel. The shame we heap upon ourselves. Was it worth it, this rebirth?
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posted 20 March 2003 08:32 PM      Profile for Justice     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I don't see how Israel above the law when everyone is criticizing it and mean time the rest of the world gets away with murder. Once again double standard? Israel is always the issue.
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Michelle
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posted 20 March 2003 08:33 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Hey, that guy was speeding too, so why would you pull me over for speeding when you didn't pull him over?
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Justice
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No No No Michelle you missed the point Israel has been pulled over a million times but they haven't.

Or actually israel was going 180 and they were going 240 but only Israel got a ticket.


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posted 20 March 2003 08:42 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Ah, so you're saying it's racial profiling then, right?

Why don't you just come out and call us anti-Semitic? Why weasel around it?


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posted 20 March 2003 08:56 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I repeat: The distinction between Israeli soldiers and thugs in a banana republic is becoming harder and harder to see, especially when one reads about such sadistic acts as forcing a woman to swallow nail polish.

Then again, Israel is supported by a nation well on its way to being a banana republic too, so I suppose birds of a feather flock together.


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Justice
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posted 20 March 2003 09:25 PM      Profile for Justice     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Tell me one reason why I should believe a crazy comment "Forcing a woman to swallo nail polish" were true.

These are exactly the same as the comments that were said before the Holocaust like "The jews use the blood of christian children to make Matza"

Why shouldn't I belive it's anti-semetic?


Yeah sort of Michelle anti-semtisim is racisim.

When half of all UN resolotion are against a tiny country like Israel that has more human rights then any of it's neghbiours from as far east as pakiistan maybe further and as far west as Morroco.

[ 20 March 2003: Message edited by: Justice ]


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While everyone is focused on Iraq, the IDF killing machine just rolls on.

While people are focused on verbally and morally attacking Israel for political reasons, Palestinian militants just keep on bombing Israeli civilians.


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DrConway
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Tell me one reason why I should believe a crazy comment "Forcing a woman to swallo nail polish" were true.

I made a mistake. It was varnish.

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These are exactly the same as the comments that were said before the Holocaust like "The jews use the blood of christian children to make Matza"

Why shouldn't I belive it's anti-semetic?


This is the source of the story. I dare you to continue to call me a liar and an anti-Semite.

NOBODY, and I mean Noooooooooo-body, and that includes YOU, Justice, calls me, DrConway, a liar.


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Mishei
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posted 21 March 2003 08:17 AM      Profile for Mishei     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Doc Im sure Justice isnt calling you a liar. But goodness me the source of the story is a "newspaper". My my we all know that "newspapers" are always the correct never wrong. We all know that newspapers are above reproach and never biased. That goes as much for the Guardian as it does the National Post, NY Times and Al Ahram.
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posted 21 March 2003 08:22 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Yeah sort of Michelle anti-semtisim is racisim.

So just to be perfectly clear, Justice, what you're saying is that focusing on Israel is like racial profiling, and that it is anti-Semitic. Therefore, since we are talking about Israel, we are anti-Semitic. Is that what you're trying to say? Come on, say it straight out. Don't weasel around it. Tell us we're all anti-Semites for talking about IDF violence. Take a stand!


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Doc Im sure Justice isnt calling you a liar. But goodness me the source of the story is a "newspaper". My my we all know that "newspapers" are always the correct never wrong. We all know that newspapers are above reproach and never biased. That goes as much for the Guardian as it does the National Post, NY Times and Al Ahram.

So confronted with yet another example of an Israeli atrocity against a human being guity of nothing, the solution is to deny, deny, deny. Typical. No wonder Sharon get away with war crimes.

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posted 21 March 2003 11:09 AM      Profile for Mishei     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
No Wing I am not denying anything. I just don't believe in convicting someone before all the facts are in. Im sorry you do,
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posted 21 March 2003 11:13 AM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Who have I convicted? The soldiers who convicted that woman?
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posted 21 March 2003 11:23 AM      Profile for Mishei     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The driver of the bull dozer. The investigation is continuing. Let's see what develops before you pronounce him guilty
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posted 21 March 2003 11:30 AM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
When did i prounounce or even infer he is guilty?

And for the record, I have far more confidence that the bulldozer operator did not know she was there than in the integrity of any whitewa ... er .. investigation.


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If you believe what Drconway is saying it's dehumanization it's anti-semetic.

and thats the second time you asked me about weasling and now I've answered twice.

If it were true and I had the facts i'd give the soldoiers 25 to life but once again more stories to show how israel is evil more stories to show hom insensitive and uncareing the Israelis and the Jews are. They are demons from hell all of them.

Your trying to be nice and say it's not racisits its not biased but face it you are.

Face it the world like to stick up for the underdog almost always unless it's the jews in the Holocust. Every body like to simplify and look in black and white and find as much proof as he/she can to back them up.

Well pardom me maybe my eyes are screwed up. For seeing things in shades of grey pardon me for thinking responsiblity falls on more then one side.

And until more people are willing to admit that reponsiblity falls on both sides and will stop being apologic to there own side. Then I don't believe there is any hope.

I'm not apolgetic for trigger happy soldiers, I'm not apologetic for people droping one 1 ton bombs. I believe there was a serious screw up there and the pilot as well who ever planned the mission should be punished severly. I'm not apologetic to a guy who bulldozzes over a gril wether accident or not!!

and I'm not apolgetic to people who use suicide bombers or teach hate in school and hide behind children or tell them to go out to fight and use them as soldiers.


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posted 21 March 2003 11:46 AM      Profile for Mishei     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Wing I think the following quote from you speaks eloquently to a guilty verdict:

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So confronted with yet another example of an Israeli atrocity against a human being

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While people are focused on verbally and morally attacking Israel for political reasons, Palestinian militants just keep on bombing Israeli civilians.

Suicide attacks are the symptom. Israeli aggression is the disease.


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Mishei
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posted 21 March 2003 12:20 PM      Profile for Mishei     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Suicide attacks are the symptom. Israeli aggression is the disease.


If you are trying to be funny then it is sick humour. There can never be justification for mass murder.

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posted 21 March 2003 12:30 PM      Profile for satana     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Not even thousands of years of persecution? Not even the irrational fear of total annhiliation?
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It is not true that nobody stuck up for the Jews during the Holocaust. Many people risked life and limb. Remember that Nazism did not target only the Jews (and Gypsies) it started by crushing the organised workers' movement and left parties.

I have a friend who was a resistance fighter as a young man during the Second World War, and saved the lives of many Jews (by helping htem hide and escape). He thinks Sharon is a war criminal too.


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If you are trying to be funny then it is sick humour. There can never be justification for mass murder.

I agree wholeheartedly. Which is why the Sharon/Hamas Axis of Evil must be stopped.


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I know there are sprinkles of righteous people all over the world that saved Jews and I think they are all heroes and deserve repsect but only Denmark came up as a nation and said that it had to protect the Jews in it's country. The polish and austrians and can understand some did it out of fear helped the germans. The to had a couple good people among them but few.

The germans not only went after Jews we know that but they went after, The mentaly and physically disabe, they went after Homosexuals and Blacks were on thier list too.

How do you even compare whats happening to the Palisinians to that? The IDF army has gone a few times over board but on the whole it's shown alot alot of restraint. If you lived in a country which was being attacked every day would you just lay back and do nothing.

I'd also like to mention I don't think the Israelis being the terrirtories helps and I do think they should pull out as soon as possible.

But accepting the right of return and not putting up a fence would be suicide. There is no proof that it would be other wise as of today perhaps in the future hopefully there will be an eaiser way.


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You don't mean the Germans (caps, please) you mean the Nazis and their collaborators - who weren't all Germans by any means. Many of the people you list were Germans - the first Jews who were persecuted, the mentally and physically handicapped, etc. Certainly gays - it was in "Aryan" areas that gays were singled out for persecution.

Austria was incorporated outright into Germany after the Anschluss in 1938. Remember that Hitler was Austrian, and always favoured "Ein Volk, Ein Fuhrer (himself), Ein Reich" of all the German-speaking people, but I guess they left Switzerland alone because all capitalist countries need a bank, after all...

Evidently the Danish king wearing a yellow star is a myth, however.

So who was comparing the IDF to Nazis? Lots of countries have committed war crimes and they are practically a given in a situation of occupation.


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Mishei: I should think you'd feel ashamed that the IDF's high ideals (the "purity of arms" doctrine) have been eroded away to the point where its soldiers act like they live in a banana republic. Forcing varnish down a woman's throat pretty much qualifies for banana-republic-type behavior in my view.

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How do you even compare whats happening to the Palisinians to that? The IDF army has gone a few times over board but on the whole it's shown alot alot of restraint.

I trust their internal investigations about as much as I trust police internal investigations in Canada, which is to say, with zero confidence.

Cops here cover each others' butts all the time so that when a cop kills a kid after executing a warrant at the wrong house (I'm talking about the Daniel Possee case here, folks) he gets what, suspension with pay? Ooooh, that's SUCH a big awful punishment for what would be chargeable as manslaughter!

So it is useless to tell me the IDF will investigate itself. There is no incentive for the ass-patting to stop, and so any internal investigation is gonna be a joke.

So telling me that they have in the main "behaved themselves" is rather pointless if your standard of comparison is the internal review procedures of the IDF itself.

Incidentally, Justice, I notice you sputtered incoherently after I pointed out that the UK Guardian is the source of my statement about the sadistic actions of the IDF.

I will take that as an apology for calling me a liar.

[ 21 March 2003: Message edited by: DrConway ]


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posted 21 March 2003 10:18 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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The driver of the bull dozer. The investigation is continuing. Let's see what develops before you pronounce him guilty

And yet, in another thread when I asked why the IDF should carry out summary executions, I didn't hear you talking about innocent until proven guilty after a trial or investigation.


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Mishei
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Michelle there is a difference between the IDF fighting terrorists and an accident or deliberate murder.

The area is engaged in a war. It is not simple and clean. It is not a civil area where the law is applied like in Canada. Things are far different during conflicts but if the bulldozer driver deliberately ran over the woman he should be charged with murder. The IDF protecting its citizens from terrorists I see as quite different.

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Mishei: I should think you'd feel ashamed that the IDF's high ideals (the "purity of arms" doctrine) have been eroded away to the point where its soldiers act like they live in a banana republic. Forcing varnish down a woman's throat pretty much qualifies for banana-republic-type behavior in my view.

I still have yet to see any mention of this story in the Israeli press. As you know Doc, the Israeli press is a vigorous and independent media. It brooks no shame in heavily critisizing Sharon or any other politician if need be. If this occurred I am sure the Israeli media would be all over it. Perhaps the Israeli human rights group reported on it but I have not seen that either. Can you help out on this score?

BTW thank you all for your kind words in an earlier thread

[ 22 March 2003: Message edited by: Mishei ]


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The area is engaged in a war.

But if they are at war, then the Geneva Convention applies. So Israel is magically not at war, for if it really was, many actions of IDF troops would violate it.


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Once again Meshei makes the best point about the varnish. I never said I believed you DrConway. You are pretty arogant why don't you try to answer Meshei's point?

Violations of the Geneva convention. Althoug I admit Israel isn't perfect and can not accout to for every soldier they certrainly do a pretty good Job with in the situation there in. Try me

I'd love to see a list of all Israeli violations. And since they don't have an army or just don't bother wearing a uniform and like hidding among civlians will have to talk about human rights violations in the case of the palitinians and not violations of the Geneva convention to be fair.

Human rights watch

I'd like you especially to note the use of children who are civilians and later to make things even more interesting I'll bring you who are combatants from the Geneva convention.

Oh and it's a war alright and it's the palistinians who don't hold up to standards and regulations as I have shown. Now israel is far from perfect but I'm sure it would be easier if the palistinians followed the rules.

[ 22 March 2003: Message edited by: Justice ]


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I never said I believed you DrConway.

You do realize that it is most dangerous to be calling me a liar. I would suggest you not test me on this point.


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Oh please, DrC. I'm getting the embarassment cringes watching this John Wayne act. He didn't call you a liar, he said he didn't believe the story. People don't have to believe everything they read - it doesn't mean they're calling you a liar.
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And lay off the "threats", too, hey?
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Justice
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DrConway your begining to sound like Bush and Saddam

Bush: "I will get you"

Saddam: "Come on I'll make you burn in Hell"

Bush:" Oh I will" etc...

I'm sorry but you can not expect in today world of information Overload in your right mine to believe something from only one source. The more sources report the more Crediable. Could you imagine if all I watched was CNN and that would be my only source?

I expect at least 3 source and the best is having a source tell on it's self I mean when it's something bad. If a source says something good that it's done then we can question it.

[ 22 March 2003: Message edited by: Justice ]


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You'll all have to pardon me. There's one or two tiny little things I don't take well, and I'm sure others here know of things they don't take well to being called.

I shall desist.


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Thanks DrConway I'm glad at least some of us can find an understanding perhaps compromise on some issues. I think thats how the road to peace starts.
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You will have to forgive but in every ihstance of Israeli brutallity either there is denial or excuse are made. The reason only one paper covered the story is becauuse only one reporter is asking the question of why Israeli gunmen are occupying a peaceful town. Has any Israeli newspapers even covered the occupation of this town?

This newspaper has provided a name and background information. Investigate it. But to say it is not true or you don't believe it because only one source covered it lacks honesty and integrity and betrays your willingness ti deny the truth and continue to pretend Israelis occupying gunmen are somehow more humane and different then similar gunmen in similar situations throughout the world and history.

Bullshit. As they dehumanize Palestinians they become dehumanized and it becomes easier for them to carry out atrocities.


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Hey I didn't say there perfect or that the story was completely untrue we have to be more skeptical of everything we're told.

But from experince very thorough indepth experince I know they have pretty high standards and stick to them pretty well.

Also from experince I know people lie when talking to reporter or reporter strech or change the truth abit. You just got be more skeptial

I said this before and I'll say this again "respect them but suspect them"

[ 22 March 2003: Message edited by: Justice ]


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Bulldozing people's homes is a "high standard"???

Justice, have you taken complete leave of your senses???


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Wing you just do not know the Israeli media. Ha'aretz has been hyper critical of the occupation and Israeli TV exposed the Sharon and Bibi scandals. You don't think for a second they would jump all over this??

Secondly, what about Gush Shalom why have they remained silent? They are not afraid to speak our. No , until I see more on this I remain skeptical despite your righteous fulmination.


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First of all many people have spoken out against this with in Israel.

Second have you been in those homes?

Sure some are innocent but they are plenty that are not.

You don't know what it's like I geuss. You never even contimplated being in situations like that.

all you see is one side.

If they don't have a high standard from they way they take precautions to make sure they don't hit civilians will at least they have a high standard that they don't parade in the street and have a party when they do.

[ 22 March 2003: Message edited by: Justice ]


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Justice who are you responding to. I am skeptical about the varnish stroy and am wondering why i have seen nothing about it from Israeli press or human rights groups.
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Sorry Meshei its about both stories I'm skeptical about I should have made sure to point out your "IF" too.

It's realy sad that so many people only want to hear what they want


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How true, of course some people don't always want to see what they have to see, like Thomas Dale and eyewitness to the events: "the terrible way in which the bulldozer driver ran at Rachel could not be an accident."
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posted 22 March 2003 07:49 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Wing you just do not know the Israeli media. Ha'aretz has been hyper critical of the occupation and Israeli TV exposed the Sharon and Bibi scandals. You don't think for a second they would jump all over this??

Secondly, what about Gush Shalom why have they remained silent? They are not afraid to speak our. No , until I see more on this I remain skeptical despite your righteous fulmination.



Maybe because as far as atrocities go, since no one died,, this ine wasn't newsworthy enough. Ever think of that? Again, Mishei, all the background info is there including names.

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posted 22 March 2003 08:45 PM      Profile for Mishei     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Wing Gush Shalom is well known for taking up such causes. Do you know why it has remained silent on this one?
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posted 23 March 2003 10:03 AM      Profile for evenflow        Edit/Delete Post
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How true, of course some people don't always want to see what they have to see, like Thomas Dale and eyewitness to the events: "the terrible way in which the bulldozer driver ran at Rachel could not be an accident."

Thanks for the article. It is very enlightening.


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