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Moredreads
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posted 12 February 2003 02:58 PM      Profile for Moredreads     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Food running out in Gaza as aid appeal fails

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UN warns that warehouses feeding a million Palestinians will be bare in weeks because donations have dried up

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Briguy
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posted 12 February 2003 03:35 PM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Who says a good ol' fashioned medieval siege can't work in a modern war theatre? Nay-sayers. Kudos to the IDF on their superior war tactics.

[ 12 February 2003: Message edited by: Sarcasmobri ]


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mandrake
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posted 12 February 2003 11:29 PM      Profile for mandrake     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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The UN Palestinian refugee agency Unrwa says its plea for about £60m to feed 1.1m people in the occupied territories has fallen flat, even though the intifada and Israeli retaliation have driven Palestinians to new depths of poverty.

What a surprise. Western and European governments and NGOs don't want to become involved in feeding a country run by terrorists and corrupt officials.
If they were, for instance, willing to disavow violence and sit down to serious negotiations, then their credibility might be restored and people might be willing to help them. Hell, I'd be willing to donate to a fund that I was sure was not going to terrorists, but to ordinary and decent people.


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Briguy
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posted 13 February 2003 09:45 AM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Yup. All those starving people are terrorists. My bad.
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posted 13 February 2003 10:20 AM      Profile for xrcrguy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I can just imagine what prospects of starvation will do to the minds of the already militant.

Mandrake
Comments like that serve to perpetrate the cycle of ignorance and shut down debate.

If you can't recognize that desperation can be a contributing factor to terrorism, then you're blind man.

Oh, by the way and for the record:
Are you suggesting that the UN is funneling money to terrorists?

[ 13 February 2003: Message edited by: xrcrguy ]

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Two years ago Unrwa fed about 11,000 people in the Gaza Strip, mostly widows and those with no means of support. Today it feeds 715,000: more than half the population.


[ 13 February 2003: Message edited by: xrcrguy ]


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posted 13 February 2003 10:49 AM      Profile for Smith     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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If they were, for instance, willing to disavow violence and sit down to serious negotiations, then their credibility might be restored and people might be willing to help them.

That's exactly how I feel about Israel.


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mandrake
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posted 14 February 2003 12:26 AM      Profile for mandrake     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Oh, by the way and for the record:
Are you suggesting that the UN is funneling money to terrorists?

No. I'm suggesting that terrorists are helping themselves to the benefits of those donations (i.e. food aid). I never posted that all Palestinians are terrorists, but it would be exceedingly naive to suggest that terrorists are not dining off the largesse of donors.

BTW: What is it you don't understand about "I'd be willing to donate....". Do you have a problem with the conditions? Most people place some kind of conditions on their charitable donations.


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posted 14 February 2003 12:39 AM      Profile for darkhorse     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Israel arrests five DFLP activists including central leaders
(Updated at 2245 PST)
RAMALLAH: Israeli troops occupying the West Bank town of Ramallah on Thursday arrested five members of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP), including three central committee members, Palestinian security officials said.

The five members of the hard-line secular group were arrested at the same house while paying their Eid al-Adha respects to another member of the faction, the sources said. Among the group were central committee members Omat Asef, Helmi a-Arad and and Rabah Jebr, the officials said.


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Mishei
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posted 14 February 2003 08:45 AM      Profile for Mishei     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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That's exactly how I feel about Israel.


Let's first start with Hizbollah, Hamas, Al Aksa Brigade, Fatah etc etc etc..

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Moredreads
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posted 14 February 2003 09:08 AM      Profile for Moredreads     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Those in glass houses should never throw stones.

Do onto others as you would have them do on to you.

Clean up your own back yard before you complain about someone elses.

Starving people make better bombers.

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mandrake
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posted 14 February 2003 06:37 PM      Profile for mandrake     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Starving people make better bombers.

They don't have to be starving. If the Palestine leadership and the Palestine terrorists would allow talks to proceed in a peaceful manner, both Israel and Palestine could wind up contributing to their mutual prosperity.


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Moredreads
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posted 14 February 2003 07:58 PM      Profile for Moredreads     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Yes, and that kid never, not never, would have had a beaten laid on him, if he'd just handed the candy over like we told him too.
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posted 15 February 2003 12:54 AM      Profile for xrcrguy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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They don't have to be starving.

She should leave him if he's so bad...

He should just quit if it's so dangerous...

Why don't they just overthrow the brutal dictator?

But officer, she was asking for it...



More blame the victim BS...


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posted 15 February 2003 01:23 AM      Profile for evenflow        Edit/Delete Post
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Let's first start with Hizbollah, Hamas, Al Aksa Brigade, Fatah etc etc etc..

I disagree, lets first start with Israel.


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xrcrguy
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posted 15 February 2003 01:29 AM      Profile for xrcrguy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The chicken, or the egg? Hmmm lets see...

This thread is quickly deteriorating.

Will the UN be able to supply food?

Mishei:
Do you think that Israel will step in with aid?
Is that a reasonable assumption?


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darkhorse
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posted 15 February 2003 01:37 AM      Profile for darkhorse     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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They don't have to be starving. If the Israeli leadership and the Zionist terrorists would allow talks to proceed in a peaceful manner, both Israel and Palestine could wind up contributing to their mutual prosperity.

I agree, Mandrake.

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posted 15 February 2003 02:00 AM      Profile for peacepiper     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
OK,

Mandrake brought up the idea of negotiations. How about a 'practice' negotiation right here.
First you'll need to agree on what you have in common. Which is?
-All are created equal?
-People need food and shelter?
-War and hate causes war and hate?
-All wars end with a negotiation, so why not start there?
-War doesn't work? (there are more separate conflicts in the World today than in all of history, therefore...)

If you all agree on these and any other things anybody can think of, that's a damn good start.

But, some advice - negotiating doesn't work unless both sides STOP blaming the other.


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