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Lalance
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posted 15 October 2001 10:19 PM      Profile for Lalance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
A thread re. Michelle Landsberg's column on Sunera Thobani was shut down after 4 responses. Reason for censorship: Audra didn't think I had the right type of "consciousness" (ie. I didn't think in the correct Leftist manner).

This is disturbing and rather Orwellian.

I simply refuted Landsberg's contention (and the contention of several other noted pundits) that saris and skin colour was a major reason for people vehemently rejecting Sunera Thobani's ideas, as promulgated in her recent speech.

If everyone must conform to a certain type of "LeftThink" (TM), then rabble has a dim future indeed. (Sort of an electronic Council of Canadians).

I'm not into Sea-Turtle costumes, Radical Cheerleaders, or Giant Protest Puppets. I happen to think that the ACTUAL WORDS of Thobani's speech were read, and rejected, my the vast majority of Canadians.

Question: is rabble a venue primarily for the airing of left-wing views? Or is it a place where all reasonable people can debate. If it is only the former, you're gonna go broke in a hurry.


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Michelle
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posted 15 October 2001 10:22 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Hmm, how long do you think a thread title comparing Audra to a Nazi will stay open. I don't have any objection to Audra closing this one as well. In fact, I would like to request it. Anyone else?
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Debra
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posted 15 October 2001 10:23 PM      Profile for Debra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
second
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Lalance
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posted 15 October 2001 10:27 PM      Profile for Lalance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=000507

Sure ... go ahead and shut 'er down. That's what Thobani herself tried to do at UBC (ie. she demanded, unsuccessfully, that all criticisms of campus feminists be vetted, and muted if necessary, by a review board (of her own making). You'd make her proud, girls.


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Debra
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posted 15 October 2001 10:29 PM      Profile for Debra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
LaLance you've belaboured this point beyond belief. Move on.
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Pankaj
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posted 15 October 2001 10:32 PM      Profile for Pankaj   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
There's no line, but don't cross it.
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Lalance
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posted 15 October 2001 10:35 PM      Profile for Lalance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Hmmm -- a UBC academic campaigns for the curtailment of free expression on campus. Noteworthy? Nahhh.

And speaking of lines not to cross -- I notice somebody's thread (Wingnut's) describes Mike Harris as a "prick". Whatever your feelings about the man, I think this is childish. What is I were to call Thobani a "twat" (remember, that would be the exact counterpart, genitally speaking). Not very nice, is it. But with a man, it's fair game.

[ October 15, 2001: Message edited by: Lalance ]

[ October 15, 2001: Message edited by: Lalance ]


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Doug
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posted 15 October 2001 10:40 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Log on to rabble.ca today - Ve haf vays of making you talk! I don't think that the title of this thread is appropriate, but I'm willing to let that go to get to the substance of the debate. I don't think Michelle Landsberg is wrong in putting forward racism as a possible motivator of the invective that's been launched recently against Sunera Thobani.

I'll make it clear for my own part that I thought she was insensitive in how she said what she said, though I don't disagree with the substance of her comments. However, if it is the substance that matters rather than the source, why the condemnation of Thobani from all quarters while other commentators such as Michael Valpy and Thomas Walkom have argued essentially the same things with no visible public response? It might simply be a function of her personality being seen as more abrasive, but there does seem to be more behind it, the belief that immigrants to this country should simply be thankful for having been taken in and that as a consequence, only those born here have a right to be critical.


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Debra
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posted 15 October 2001 10:40 PM      Profile for Debra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
To use a quote DrC oh puh-fucking-leeeese
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WingNut
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posted 15 October 2001 10:44 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
So she shut you down?

Let's see. Your topic heading was Leftists' fetish for appearances. Clearly a heading intended to engender thoughtful discussion as opposed to, say, I don't know, silly bullshit.

I hope she doesn't shut down this thread. People need to see what the rabid right is really all about: attacking people not arguments.


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Lalance
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posted 15 October 2001 10:47 PM      Profile for Lalance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Wingnut -- aren't you the one calling Mike Harris a "prick"? Seems like a personal attack coming from somebody on the Left. Or does the term "prick" have a different meaning out in your neck of the woods?

And I do think the Left has this "thing" for appearances. Sea turtle costumes. Giant puppets. Radical cheerleaders. Black bandanas. Street Theatre = a preoccupation with appearance, n'est-ce pas?

[ October 15, 2001: Message edited by: Lalance ]


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Doug
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posted 15 October 2001 10:51 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
So - the right has this thing for suits and (so it seems) wet-suits. What of it?
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Debra
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posted 15 October 2001 10:56 PM      Profile for Debra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Well my own personal fetish has nothing to do with sea turtles, but that's just me.


damn flood control


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WingNut
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posted 15 October 2001 10:57 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Lalance: Actually that was a song. Didn't you like it?

In fact, I did, recently, opened a thread with the title "JCL is an idiot." It was wrong. I admit that. I shouldn't have done it. But interestingly, the responses came in favour of JCL and generally chastised me for the thread. More interesting, all the responses as described came from people on this board who lean to the left.

There is a great tolerance here for a variety of opinion. There is far less tolerance for what I did re: JCL and for what you are doing re: Landsberg and with the title of this thread.

And there is always plenty of tolerance for a song.

[ October 15, 2001: Message edited by: WingNut ]


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andrean
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posted 15 October 2001 10:59 PM      Profile for andrean     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Well, the term 'prick' certainly has a different meaning in my neck of the woods and I'm not telling you what it is!

I find it interesting that people only shriek about censorship when their thread gets shut down, not when other people's threads get shut down. Censorship, my ass! Most of us in this country are blessed not even to know what censorship is!Not being able to say whatever you want, however you want to, in a private community is hardly censorship. This is a private party, folks, this is not the damn government, nor is it freakin' Canada Customs (now, they know censorship!). If you can't say it here, by all means, go say it someplace else. Maybe they'll like it there!


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WingNut
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posted 15 October 2001 11:01 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
And another thing,
quote:
And I do think the Left has this "thing" for appearances. Sea turtle costumes. Giant puppets. Radical cheerleaders. Black bandanas. Street Theatre = a preoccupation with appearance, n'est-ce pas?


This is opposed to Mickey Mouse, Michael Jackson's glove (and facial surgery), Ronald McDonald, Skinny 15 year-old models in magazines targeted at 30 somethings, casual Fridays, and any corporate chairty event where otherwise stuffed shirts discover face paint?

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Lalance
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posted 15 October 2001 11:03 PM      Profile for Lalance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Wingnut: I love songs -- how about this:

They took the whole feminist nation
Locked them up, taught them masturbation.
Thobani's critics were concerned
Hedy said the crosses burned.

Feminist Nation Feminist Tribe
Wisdom to Give ... Courage to cry...

And if one day they (post-colonial patriarchal bastards) can learn....
Feminist Nation will return, will return, will return....


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Debra
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posted 15 October 2001 11:05 PM      Profile for Debra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
How very noble of you to take a song intended to empower Natives to serve up your own brand of intolerance. Well done LaLance. Now take a bow perferable right out.
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N.R.KISSED
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posted 15 October 2001 11:06 PM      Profile for N.R.KISSED     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I would think anyone who repeatedly posts pictures of someone dressed as a turtle might be preoccupied with others appearance.

It also seems very few of Thobani's critics even bothered to read the full text of her speech. They seemed more intent on denouncing it as hateful. None of them could adequately explain why criticising a countries foreign policy(blood metaphors or not) is hateful.
Critics also tended to focus on Thobani's status as an immigrant and how greatful she should be for being allowed to be in this country.


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Lalance
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posted 15 October 2001 11:07 PM      Profile for Lalance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Bullshit, Earthmother. Cherokee People was a kitschy song intended to fill the pockets of a fading rock group. No self-respecting native group would adopt this song as an anthem.

Re. Thobani's previous immigrant status: isn't it great that an immigrant can become the head of a national Feminist organization so soon after becoming a citizen. Shows how little prejudice there is in Canada.

[ October 15, 2001: Message edited by: Lalance ]


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Debra
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posted 15 October 2001 11:08 PM      Profile for Debra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Bullshit do you know what bullshit means where I come from!!!!!!!
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Lalance
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posted 15 October 2001 11:09 PM      Profile for Lalance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Err... fecal matter dropping from a bull's backside ... or a colloquial way of indicating nonsense?
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clockwork
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posted 15 October 2001 11:11 PM      Profile for clockwork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I’d make a comment but:
A) No one voted for me.
B) My parents are not BBS operators so I cannot comment on system administration.
C) I think I’m a leftist so I’m an idiot anyway, preoccupied with sea turtles and whatnot.

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WingNut
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posted 15 October 2001 11:12 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Not bad Lalance. How about this one:
If I were a feminist hater
(If I were a feminist hater)
I wouldn't be an educator
(I wouldn't be an educator)
If I were a feminist hater
(If I were a feminist hater)
I'd change my sex and become a man
I'd stand up while in the can
Maybe wear loose pants and a tie
(Maybe wear loose pants and a tie)
If I were a feminist hater
(If I were a feminist hater)
Well, I'd get a masculine name
(A nice name like Jim or Bob)
If I were a feminist hater I'd hate myself too.

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Lalance
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posted 15 October 2001 11:17 PM      Profile for Lalance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Some say the Left
Does feel quite bereft
(You can't heal it, you can't feel it)
But your Alan Alda alter ego tires
And you seem like a Hobbit who has missed the train...

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vaudree
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posted 15 October 2001 11:33 PM      Profile for vaudree     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
I'd stand up while in the can
Maybe wear loose pants and a tie
(Maybe wear loose pants and a tie)

With the way my son splatters the seat that would be a necessity - but can`t now because of that damn left lower stomache - that damned left lower stomache is really pissing me off.

Audra is not that bad. You got to understand that sometimes this place turns into a meeting ground for our former teacher`s worst nightmares. She has to go through all these posts, whether she is interested in the topic or not, and make quick decisions. Sometimes we agree with those decisions sometimes we don`t. Some times we listen, sometimes we don`t.

Deap down she is a good person. She has to be and you know why? Since she is left-handed and almost has my name and writes stories she can`t be all bad.

And why should Audra worry about being described in the same language as such greats as Margaret Atwood? Many people call Atwoood a man-hater, conveniently omiting the fact that her female charactors are often just as pathetic (or more) so than her male one`s.


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WingNut
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posted 15 October 2001 11:40 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'm a right winger, babe, suckin' blood from the earth
I'm a right winger, baby, suckin' blood from the earth.
Well, I'm a right winger babe, sell you twenty barrels worth.

I'm David Frum, babe, bangin' out more recycled trash.
I'm David Frum, babe, bangin' out more recycled trash.
Well, I'm David Frum, babe, I need my bitter ego stroked.


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posted 15 October 2001 11:49 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
The World Bank's former Chief Economist's accusations are
eye-popping - including how the IMF and US Treasury fixed the
Russian elections

by Greg Palast
The Observer, London
October 10, 2001

"It has condemned people to death," the former apparatchik told
me. This was like a scene out of Le Carre. The brilliant old
agent comes in from the cold, crosses to our side, and in hours
of debriefing, empties his memory of horrors committed in the
name of a political ideology he now realizes has gone rotten.

And here before me was a far bigger catch than some used Cold War
spy. Joseph Stiglitz was Chief Economist of the World Bank. To a
great extent, the new world economic order was his theory come to
life.

I "debriefed" Stigltiz over several days, at Cambridge
University, in a London hotel and finally in Washington in April
2001 during the big confab of the World Bank and the
International Monetary Fund. But instead of chairing the meetings
of ministers and central bankers, Stiglitz was kept exiled safely
behind the blue police cordons, the same as the nuns carrying a
large wooden cross, the Bolivian union leaders, the parents of
AIDS victims and the other 'anti-globalization' protesters. The
ultimate insider was now on the outside.

In 1999 the World Bank fired Stiglitz. He was not allowed quiet
retirement; US Treasury Secretary Larry Summers, I'm told,
demanded a public excommunication for Stiglitz' having expressed
his first mild dissent from globalization World Bank style.

Here in Washington we completed the last of several hours of
exclusive interviews for The Observer and BBC TV's Newsnight
about the real, often hidden, workings of the IMF, World Bank,
and the bank's 51% owner, the US Treasury.

And here, from sources unnamable (not Stiglitz), we obtained a
cache of documents marked, "confidential," "restricted," and "not
otherwise (to be) disclosed without World Bank authorization."

Stiglitz helped translate one from bureaucratise, a "Country
Assistance Strategy." There's an Assistance Strategy for every
poorer nation, designed, says the World Bank, after careful
in-country investigation. But according to insider Stiglitz, the
Bank's staff 'investigation' consists of close inspection of a
nation's 5-star hotels. It concludes with the Bank staff meeting
some begging, busted finance minister who is handed a
'restructuring agreement' pre-drafted for his 'voluntary'
signature (I have a selection of these).

Each nation's economy is individually analyzed, then, says
Stiglitz, the Bank hands every minister the same exact four-step
program.

Step One is Privatization - which Stiglitz said could more
accurately be called, 'Briberization.' Rather than object to the
sell-offs of state industries, he said national leaders - using
the World Bank's demands to silence local critics - happily
flogged their electricity and water companies. "You could see
their eyes widen" at the prospect of 10% commissions paid to
Swiss bank accounts for simply shaving a few billion off the sale
price of national assets.

And the US government knew it, charges Stiglitz, at least in the
case of the biggest 'briberization' of all, the 1995 Russian
sell-off. "The US Treasury view was this was great as we wanted
Yeltsin re-elected. We don't care if it's a corrupt election. We
want the money to go to Yeltzin" via kick-backs for his campaign.

Stiglitz is no conspiracy nutter ranting about Black Helicopters.
The man was inside the game, a member of Bill Clinton's cabinet
as Chairman of the President's council of economic advisors.

Most ill-making for Stiglitz is that the US-backed oligarchs
stripped Russia's industrial assets, with the effect that the
corruption scheme cut national output nearly in half causing
depression and starvation.

After briberization, Step Two of the IMF/World Bank
one-size-fits-all rescue-your-economy plan is 'Capital Market
Liberalization.' In theory, capital market deregulation allows
investment capital to flow in and out. Unfortunately, as in
Indonesia and Brazil, the money simply flowed out and out.
Stiglitz calls this the "Hot Money" cycle. Cash comes in for
speculation in real estate and currency, then flees at the first
whiff of trouble. A nation's reserves can drain in days, hours.
And when that happens, to seduce speculators into returning a
nation's own capital funds, the IMF demands these nations raise
interest rates to 30%, 50% and 80%.

"The result was predictable," said Stiglitz of the Hot Money
tidal waves in Asia and Latin America. Higher interest rates
demolished property values, savaged industrial production and
drained national treasuries.

At this point, the IMF drags the gasping nation to Step Three:
Market-Based Pricing, a fancy term for raising prices on food,
water and cooking gas. This leads, predictably, to
Step-Three-and-a-Half: what Stiglitz calls, 'The IMF riot.'

The IMF riot is painfully predictable. When a nation is, "down
and out, [the IMF] takes advantage and squeezes the last pound of
blood out of them. They turn up the heat until, finally, the
whole cauldron blows up," as when the IMF eliminated food and
fuel subsidies for the poor in Indonesia in 1998. Indonesia
exploded into riots, but there are other examples - the Bolivian
riots over water prices last year and this February, the riots in
Ecuador over the rise in cooking gas prices imposed by the World
Bank. You' d almost get the impression that the riot is written
into the plan.

And it is. What Stiglitz did not know is that, while in the
States, BBC and The Observer obtained several documents from
inside the World Bank, stamped over with those pesky warnings,
"confidential," "restricted," "not to be disclosed." Let's get
back to one: the "Interim Country Assistance Strategy" for
Ecuador, in it the Bank several times states - with cold accuracy
- that they expected their plans to spark, "social unrest," to
use their bureaucratic term for a nation in flames.

That's not surprising. The secret report notes that the plan to
make the US dollar Ecuador's currency has pushed 51% of the
population below the poverty line. The World Bank "Assistance"
plan simply calls for facing down civil strife and suffering
with, "political resolve" - and still higher prices.

The IMF riots (and by riots I mean peaceful demonstrations
dispersed by bullets, tanks and teargas) cause new panicked
flights of capital and government bankruptcies. This economic
arson has it's bright side - for foreign corporations, who can
then pick off remaining assets, such as the odd mining concession
or port, at fire sale prices.

Stiglitz notes that the IMF and World Bank are not heartless
adherents to market economics. At the same time the IMF stopped
Indonesia 'subsidizing' food purchases, "when the banks need a
bail-out, intervention (in the market) is welcome." The IMF
scrounged up tens of billions of dollars to save Indonesia's
financiers and, by extension, the US and European banks from
which they had borrowed.

A pattern emerges. There are lots of losers in this system but
one clear winner: the Western banks and US Treasury, making the
big bucks off this crazy new international capital churn.
Stiglitz told me about his unhappy meeting, early in his World
Bank tenure, with Ethopia's new president in the nation's first
democratic election. The World Bank and IMF had ordered Ethiopia
to divert aid money to its reserve account at the US Treasury,
which pays a pitiful 4% return, while the nation borrowed US
dollars at 12% to feed its population. The new president begged
Stiglitz to let him use the aid money to rebuild the nation. But
no, the loot went straight off to the US Treasury's vault in
Washington.

Now we arrive at Step Four of what the IMF and World Bank call
their "poverty reduction strategy": Free Trade. This is free
trade by the rules of the World Trade Organization and World
Bank, Stiglitz the insider likens free trade WTO-style to the
Opium Wars. "That too was about opening markets," he said. As in
the 19th century, Europeans and Americans today are kicking down
the barriers to sales in Asia, Latin American and Africa, while
barricading our own markets against Third World agriculture.

In the Opium Wars, the West used military blockades to force open
markets for their unbalanced trade. Today, the World Bank can
order a financial blockade just as effective - and sometimes just
as deadly.

Stiglitz is particularly emotional over the WTO's intellectual
property rights treaty (it goes by the acronym TRIPS, more on
that in the next chapters). It is here, says the economist, that
the new global order has "condemned people to death" by imposing
impossible tariffs and tributes to pay to pharmaceutical
companies for branded medicines. "They don't care," said the
professor of the corporations and bank loans he worked with, "if
people live or die."

By the way, don't be confused by the mix in this discussion of
the IMF, World Bank and WTO. They are interchangeable masks of a
single governance system. They have locked themselves together by
what are unpleasantly called, "triggers." Taking a World Bank
loan for a school 'triggers' a requirement to accept every
'conditionality' - they average 111 per nation - laid down by
both the World Bank and IMF. In fact, said Stiglitz the IMF
requires nations to accept trade policies more punitive than the
official WTO rules.

Stiglitz greatest concern is that World Bank plans, devised in
secrecy and driven by an absolutist ideology, are never open for
discourse or dissent. Despite the West's push for elections
throughout the developing world, the so-called Poverty Reduction
Programs "undermine democracy."

And they don't work. Black Africa's productivity under the
guiding hand of IMF structural "assistance" has gone to hell in
a handbag. Did any nation avoid this fate? Yes, said Stiglitz,
identifying Botswana. Their trick? "They told the IMF to go
packing."

So then I turned on Stiglitz. OK, Mr Smart-Guy Professor, how
would you help developing nations? Stiglitz proposed radical land
reform, an attack at the heart of "landlordism," on the usurious
rents charged by the propertied oligarchies worldwide, typically
50% of a tenant's crops. So I had to ask the professor: as you
were top economist at the World Bank, why didn't the Bank follow
your advice?

"If you challenge [land ownership], that would be a change in the
power of the elites. That's not high on their agenda." Apparently
not.

Ultimately, what drove him to put his job on the line was the
failure of the banks and US Treasury to change course when
confronted with the crises - failures and suffering perpetrated
by their four-step monetarist mambo. Every time their free market
solutions failed, the IMF simply demanded more free market
policies.

"It's a little like the Middle Ages," the insider told me,
"When the patient died they would say, 'well, he stopped the
bloodletting too soon, he still had a little blood in him.'"

I took away from my talks with the professor that the solution
to world poverty and crisis is simple: remove the bloodsuckers.

*

A version of this was first published as "The IMF's Four Steps to
Damnation" in The Observer (London) in April and another version
in The Big Issue - that's the magazine that the homeless flog on
platforms in the London Underground. Big Issue offered equal
space to the IMF, whose "deputy chief media officer" wrote:

"... I find it impossible to respond given the depth and breadth
of hearsay and misinformation in [Palast's] report."

Of course it was difficult for the Deputy Chief to respond. The
information (and documents) came from the unhappy lot inside his
agency and the World Bank.

At http://www.GregPalast.com you can read more about
globalization - and view Palast's reports for BBC Television's
Newsnight, including his broadcast interview with Joe Stiglitz
(Meirion Jones, Producer). We will soon post a complete
transcript of the 90-minute interview.

============================================

To subscribe to Greg Palast's e-mail list, go to
www.gregpalast.com



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Pankaj
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posted 15 October 2001 11:49 PM      Profile for Pankaj   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
This seems like a nonsense thread, so I thought I would insert some of my own. I received this bulletin in my email. My apologies in advance to any who may be offended. Perhaps now this thread can also be closed.



Taliban ...........

Latest news reports advise that a cell of 4 terrorists has been operating in Newfoundland (or insert your favorite province here), Canada.

Police advised earlier today that 3 of the 4 have been detained.

The Newfoundland and Provinical Police Commissioner stated that the terrorists Bin Sleepin, Bin Drinkin, Bin Fightin have been arrested on immigration issues.

The Police advise further that they can find no one fitting the description of the fourth cell member, Bin Workin, in the province.

Police are confident that anyone who looks like Workin will be very easy to spot in the community.


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Lalance
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posted 15 October 2001 11:51 PM      Profile for Lalance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Come listen to a story 'bout Wingnut's woe,
Protest fizzed at the WTO
Got right up to the anarchist camp
Too bad he caught the Cheerleaders' cramp
Radical, that is ... Monthly flow ... swimming pools

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Debra
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posted 15 October 2001 11:56 PM      Profile for Debra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
a mind is a terrible thing to waste.
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WingNut
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posted 16 October 2001 12:00 AM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Well the first thing you know, LaLance is
turtle obsessed.
And her head is right wing brain less
Said, "Tobani is what's wrong with me."
So she loaded up her things and to study Ayn Rand history.
Greed. Self-obsessed. Not just turtles.

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Captaffy
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posted 16 October 2001 01:09 AM      Profile for Captaffy        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
a mind is a terrible thing to waste.

a mind is a terrible thing to taste

Audra was wrong in closing the thread. Lalance and pretty much every other person in this thread is acting childishly (and not in an hilarious way- which I could approve of).
I would have to stand behind the big L on this one though.


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WingNut
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posted 16 October 2001 01:13 AM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
a mind is a terrible thing to taste

How do you know?

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posted 16 October 2001 01:28 AM      Profile for JCL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Question: is rabble a venue primarily for the airing of left-wing views? Or is it a place where all reasonable people can debate. If it is only the former, you're gonna go broke in a hurry.

Guess we'll find out sooner or later.

quote:
Hmmm -- a UBC academic campaigns for the curtailment of free expression on campus. Noteworthy? Nahhh.

The like minded people believes that no one dares challenge their views as if it's a sacred religion.

quote:
And speaking of lines not to cross -- I notice somebody's thread (Wingnut's) describes Mike Harris as a "prick". Whatever your feelings about the man, I think this is childish. What is I were to call Thobani a "twat" (remember, that would be the exact counterpart, genitally speaking). Not very nice, is it. But with a man, it's fair game.

Hey, WingNut went on a bender about what I said about Thobani. He makes his statement about Harris yet I didn't go on a bender about it.

quote:
I hope she doesn't shut down this thread. People need to see what the rabid right is really all about: attacking people not arguments.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA. Hey, know any more recipes of hipocrissy? I saw WingNut posting something about Mike Harris. But he didn't argue why he hated him. He just said he didn't like him. There has to be reasons for disliking someone.

quote:
So - the right has this thing for suits and (so it seems) wet-suits. What of it?
Cos McDonough would scare the hell out of the reporters if she wore it? By the way, speaking of a thing for suits, why did all the NDP MPs wear suits?

quote:
There is a great tolerance here for a variety of opinion. There is far less tolerance for what I did re: JCL and for what you are doing re: Landsberg and with the title of this thread.

Geez, if I had made a thread with the above mentioned topic, I'd have used more diplomatic words. But that's just me. I attack issues. Not people, WingNut. And that's why I don't take things, even if it vehemently opposes my view, on a personal level. I can get along with people all across the political spectrum. Know why? Because, as I said, I attack the issues, not the individuals. Let's say for example, Michelle says something I don't agree with. I'll say something about the issue but never on her personally. If it was personal, I wouldn't be joking around with some people.

Nice songs WingNut. Just goes to prove you attack the individual, and not the issue. Idiot.

And yes, I know the same applies to Lalance for his response to your posts as breaking down from a discussion down to a mere pissing fight. Which you're both at fault. WingNut, learn to debayte, not aggravate.


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WingNut
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posted 16 October 2001 01:31 AM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
LaLance, I've been think of you. Your dry wit, dripping sarcasm and love of song. Perhaps it is true that opposites attract. This one is for you with all sincerity:

Why do birds suddenly appear,
Every time your words are near?
Just like me,
They long to read
Posts by you.

La, la la la laaa, la, la lance.


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GulfAlien
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posted 16 October 2001 01:36 AM      Profile for GulfAlien   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I thought this thread was very funny.

But seriously, I am glad that some of the stuff posted on this board is culled. Hard enough to peruse what isn't.

Guess something that maybe shouldn't have been removed, was. But it appears that the response has been to let this thread remain in it's culled compadre's memory.

That seems rather judicious and fair.

However, this thread has made me wonder what potential viewpoints aren't coming through on this board. Maybe this site could provide an area for the sweepings from the "cutting room floor".


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WingNut
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posted 16 October 2001 01:43 AM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
JCL, I thought you weren't talking to me. I was quite enjoying it. Now I know you are not only an idiot and hypocrite, but a liar too. Oh, wait, that is attacking the person, isn't it? Unlike you who only attacks the argument. You could try not displaying your hypocrisy and bullshit in the same post.
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posted 16 October 2001 02:22 AM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
During Early Silurian time the supply of sediment from the Taconic highlands was sufficient to spread red sandstone and shale westward across New York State into Ontario, forming the redbeds of the Cataract Group, to lay down coarse conglomerates of he Shawangunk Formation near the mountain front in southern New York, and to deposit the extensive Tuscarora Sandstone in the Valley and Ridge province of the central Appalachians. Westward, away from the supplying streams, the Cataract sandstones pass laterally into red shales of the Cabot Head Formation and finally, on the margins of the Michigan Basin, into the limestones characteristic of the shelf environment (see Chapter 4).

(Stearns, Carroll and Clark, Geological Evolution of North America, Third Edition, 1979).

[ October 16, 2001: Message edited by: 'lance ]


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posted 16 October 2001 02:29 AM      Profile for Chaos-Theory     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
wingnuts thought process goes like this....
if it doesn't exist it cant be proven to not exist so hence it must exist because lack of proof is proof

Am I right wingnut? If you digress please reread you thoughts on religion.

If it doesn't exist it must exist including logic in the left wing.


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Lalance
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posted 16 October 2001 02:46 AM      Profile for Lalance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Come listen to professor, Dr. Tho-Ban-i
Poor Eastern gal, barely got a speaker's fee
Then one day, she was whipping up a speech
Perhaps it was a lesson plan to teach.
Women's studies...patriarchy ... bloody hands

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nonsuch
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posted 16 October 2001 03:08 AM      Profile for nonsuch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Well, that whole thing, from the title on, was in poor taste, wasn't it?
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JCL
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posted 16 October 2001 05:25 AM      Profile for JCL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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JCL, I thought you weren't talking to me. I was quite enjoying it. Now I know you are not only an idiot and hypocrite, but a liar too. Oh, wait, that is attacking the person, isn't it? Unlike you who only attacks the argument. You could try not displaying your hypocrisy and bullshit in the same post.

Well, if you were enjoying the fact I didn't say anything to you, why did you mention my name again? Trolling? You know, I would possibly consider donating some money to this site. But the facts show in other threads that when you respond to your like minded lefties, you answer their arguments or comments to support or add to it. When someone posts and is right wing, you attack them personally. And if they come up with a good point to counter yours, you call them an idiot or deride them. As I learned in my critical thinking classes in high school, the second one says to the other he is an idiot or doesn't know what he/she is talking about, they really don't know what they're really talking about nor can they defend their argument and/or then they resort to name calling. And I only post in threads in things I'm aware or know of. I don't post in some threads because I have no knowledge on the thread topic.

I may not agree what others say but I won't deride them for what they believe is right. Call me a hypocrite all you want. Call me a liar all you want. Call me a bullshitter all you want or even a liar. Doesn't bother me one bit. As I've observed, the ones who do the most name calling are in fact reflects their emotional maturity and stability.

And I'm definitely looking forward to reading your response which will most likely be overflowing with personal verbal assault than logic.


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JCL
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posted 16 October 2001 05:29 AM      Profile for JCL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Well, that whole thing, from the title on, was in poor taste, wasn't it?

Yes, I agree.


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posted 16 October 2001 07:37 AM      Profile for Debra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I don't get you righties. You come on an obviously left leaning board and then get your knickers in a twist when people don't see things your way.Psssst there are right leaning boards.Try it you might like it. But don't expect to come here like some charged up super saviour and expect that one brilliant ( which I've yet to see ) post by you is going to set the rest of us 'back on the right path'
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audra trower williams
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posted 16 October 2001 08:40 AM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Oh good heavens. I closed the Thobani thread because it was the 5th or so that you'd started, Lalance. I didn't close it because your opinion was the "wrong" one. If someone started 5 different threads about all the things that are super about Don McKellar, I'd close them, too, even though it would break my heart to do so.

Also: this thread is not "news" so I'm moving it -- not closing it -- to "rabble reactions."

(Thanks to people who get my back, but if you get my back by being just as bratty as the trolls, then I have to warn all of you.)

[ October 16, 2001: Message edited by: audra estrones ]


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skdadl
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posted 16 October 2001 09:29 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Charming thread title there -- so very Western civilization.

The tendentious title of the new Thobani thread caught my eye just as I was closing down last evening, and my first thought was Good night, how many of those are there, and I'm sure they're not all full ...

Now Michelle, 'member back when you were designing smilies and I asked you for one that wasn't quite SPAM, something more like THREAD PROLIFERATION (meaning gratuitous thread-creation, done to irritate or block rather than contribute) -- this is pretty much what I meant. See?


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posted 16 October 2001 10:04 AM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
JCL, you would be wrong.
I tend to reply in the manner in which I was addressed.
What do I and donating money to rabble.ca have to do with each other? rabble.ca tolerates a diversity of views including yours, mine, and so many others. If you donate money do it because you support the site. Not becuase of me. And if you do not donate, citing me as the reason, then it would be hard to believe you intended to donate in the first place.

You are quite wrong. I respond to those on the right in much the same way as I respond to those on the left. I do at times take an exception. Exceptions include posts that attack the left as a whole as though we are all one. I noticed you don't like being lumped in with violent anti-abortionists. It works both ways. I take extreme exception to the likes of Chaos-Theory who salivates over what he calls "the great die-off." I actually asked you onec if you agreed with his views. A simple question. And contrary to what you say now, your response was not one of emotional maturity and stability.
Lastly, I take exception to wilfull ignorance. This is different than simple ignorance. It is not knowing, not caring to know and embracing not knowing. But feeling compelled to express a derisive opinion anyway.

And you are not being entirely correct. Some of your posts have been entirely insulting. Some of your posts have been on topics upon which you have no knowledge whatsoever.

I will give you an example. You asked why I used your name again in my post to Lalance. I believe you never actually read my post. You saw my name and yours and that was enough. Because if you read what I had to say, you would have read the following:
"I ... opened a thread with the title "JCL is an idiot." It was wrong. I admit that. I shouldn't have done it."

Yes, that was me admitting a mistake. Not the first time. When I'm wrong, I admit it. Are you capable of doing so? Don't answer. It doesn't matter.


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WingNut
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posted 16 October 2001 10:07 AM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
wingnuts thought process goes like this....
if it doesn't exist it cant be proven to not exist so hence it must exist because lack of proof is proof
Am I right wingnut? If you digress please reread you thoughts on religion.
If it doesn't exist it must exist including logic in the left wing.

We were talking about God. You know, the big guy in the sky.
Further, not being able to prove God doesn't exist is not proof God does exist. So, yes, you are wrong.


Shouldn't you be planning for the big die off? Is your survivalist camp ready yet?

[ October 16, 2001: Message edited by: WingNut ]


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rasmus
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posted 16 October 2001 04:08 PM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
La donna è mobile, la-la-la, la-la-la....

[edited: too many 'la's]

[ October 16, 2001: Message edited by: rasmus_raven ]


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skdadl
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posted 16 October 2001 05:41 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Caucus! Caucus! This is outrageous, grils! Do you see what rasmus just said? Eh? Eh?
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Michelle
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posted 16 October 2001 05:46 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Sorry, I don't speak Italian.

(That's what my father used to tell his former father-in-law when he got so involved in a rant that he switched to German - he'd wait until my grandfather was done and then say, "Sorry, I don't speak Italian." )


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JCL
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posted 16 October 2001 06:15 PM      Profile for JCL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
I don't get you righties. You come on an obviously left leaning board and then get your knickers in a twist when people don't see things your way.Psssst there are right leaning boards.Try it you might like it. But don't expect to come here like some charged up super saviour and expect that one brilliant ( which I've yet to see ) post by you is going to set the rest of us 'back on the right path'

First of all, how could it be fun to post in a message board where everyone agrees with one another? I find it soooo intellectually boring. Where is the intellectual stimulation? I used to exclusively hang around with people who thought like me. But after awhile, they really bored me. There was no real intellectual stimulation. Or perhaps there is something we didn't see or consider. So I started making acquaintances and friends with people from all different political views. And that is a good thing. Some of my right leaning views have soften to either center or a tad left leaning. But if some of my views don't change, at least I understand what and why they protest it or are against.

I don't get my knickers in a knot if someone doesn't see or agree from my point of view. I don't force my beliefs down others' throats. Nor do I expect people to change their views. Nor would I force my right leaning views on others because people have a fundamental right to choose what they do or do not believe. One of my brothers is left wing. But I don't disown him of his politics. We know where each of us stands. But we recognize the other's right to believe what they want to or not.


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Debra
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posted 16 October 2001 06:22 PM      Profile for Debra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The post was mainly meant for LaLance JCL. Although I must say you have pissed me off on numereous occasions also.
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JCL
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posted 16 October 2001 08:30 PM      Profile for JCL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
earthmother - Oh, I see. Well, the feeling's mutual. Care for a chocolate covered almond? I bought a small pack at the store today. I bought it in the bulk foods section of the store.
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posted 16 October 2001 08:34 PM      Profile for Dawna Matrix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Do you have some for the WHOLE class?
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Debra
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posted 16 October 2001 08:35 PM      Profile for Debra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
mmmmmm chocolate covered almonds mmmmmmm
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Dawna Matrix
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posted 16 October 2001 08:43 PM      Profile for Dawna Matrix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
He fished those out of the crack in the car seat, earthmother.
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posted 16 October 2001 09:02 PM      Profile for meades     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'm enjoying M&M's. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

NOTE: That smiley should signify drooling, not embarassment.

Lalance, good ridance to bad trash!

Finally, babble may move on with INTELLIGENT discussion, from many perspectives.

JCL, Markbo, and a big chunk of others, thank you all for being, more often than not, civil and working for productive discussion. You're gems in the right-of-centre crown

In other words, thanks for not being like Lalance!

And thanks of course to the civil lefties I'll join you in a minute, I just have to say a few things first.

As for Lalance:

M'gilgl zol er vern in a henglaykhter. Bay tog zol er hengen, bay nakht zol er brenen!

Okay, that was too mean. I take it back, and I apologize from the bottom of my heart. Instead, Ayngezunken zol er vern, Got in Himl!

That's for being such a zhlob Genug iz genug.

Audra, as always, you've got my full support, you're the best babble balebos there ever could be

[ October 16, 2001: Message edited by: meades ]


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Dawna Matrix
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posted 16 October 2001 09:04 PM      Profile for Dawna Matrix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Hey! The kid speaks Spanish too!
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posted 16 October 2001 09:07 PM      Profile for meades     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Mi gatta solo commo caviare
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posted 16 October 2001 09:09 PM      Profile for Dawna Matrix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Pueden los Ninos montare un elefante?
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meades
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posted 16 October 2001 09:22 PM      Profile for meades     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Cuidad! Que es mi prima!
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audra trower williams
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posted 16 October 2001 10:22 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Du bist nicht meine lame Ente.
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meades
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posted 16 October 2001 10:30 PM      Profile for meades     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Que?
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meades
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posted 16 October 2001 10:36 PM      Profile for meades     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'm a bit confused with all this. let me see if I have thist straight.

My Cat only eats caviar, and the boys are mounting my elephant cousin.

Audra, is that Yiddish or German? Or something else?


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JCL
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posted 17 October 2001 12:52 AM      Profile for JCL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Dawna - Sure. I got enough for everyone. And no, they were not fished out of a crack from a car seat. They were fished out from the crack between the seats on a Greyhound bus that was previously booked by people against cleanliness.

Meades - Thank you for the compliment about me being more civil. You aren't a Loony Lefty. And I'm not a Rabid Righty. I already got my rabies shot. Well, each side has people that go too far. I say my politicis are center to right of center.


I think Audra is speaking Klingon.


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rasmus
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posted 17 October 2001 01:10 AM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
skdadl, are *you* the only one who got it? There was a lot of punning packed into that short little post!

Meades, I'm glad you're on our side.


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posted 17 October 2001 01:44 AM      Profile for MJ     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Meades, you are not her lame duck.

And for the record, no one should close this thread. The title is a perfect evocation of the real Audra - intimidating, menacing, bristling with (metaphorical, I grant) 6-inch fangs, a dark gleam of blood-hunger in her cold and unfeeling stare.

Oh sure, she seems all cute and innocent-like, some of you are no doubt saying, but you've probably never met her. She's terrifying, people. I'm serious! (shudders...)


[ October 17, 2001: Message edited by: MJ ]


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posted 17 October 2001 02:24 AM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
You're stoking any number of fantasies here, MJ.

Er, or so I imagine, anyway. It's that pervert WingNut. I mean he likes to pee on people's legs.


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posted 17 October 2001 02:26 AM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Other people don't?
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'lance
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posted 17 October 2001 02:28 AM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I neither confirm nor deny. In public.
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posted 17 October 2001 04:03 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Now see, there's the difference between WingNuts of all kinds and cultured furry entities such as myself. I would never pee on someone's leg.

Peeing is for litterboxes. Registering displeasure should be done with *snick* claws.


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rasmus
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posted 17 October 2001 04:23 AM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I believe that for WingNut it's an expression of affection.
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DrConway
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posted 17 October 2001 04:26 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I simply sit on peoples' laps when I want to do that. It's so much more dignified.
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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 17 October 2001 05:15 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
Except when you do it right after using the litterbox, you smelly pseudo-felinoid!

(Damn flood control!)


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Dawna Matrix
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posted 17 October 2001 05:26 PM      Profile for Dawna Matrix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
What Dr. C, do you sit on people's laps to express affection, or to take a leak?
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skdadl
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posted 17 October 2001 05:32 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
No denying there's warmth in that, though.
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DrConway
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posted 17 October 2001 05:32 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
To express affection, madame. I take leaks in my litterbox - after all I am house-trained.
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Michelle
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posted 17 October 2001 05:46 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
skdadl, are *you* the only one who got it? There was a lot of punning packed into that short little post!

Okay, I DEMAND to be let in on the joke. No more Ms. Nice Guy. Explain or there will be consequences. Unpl--oh forget that. Just tell me.


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skdadl
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posted 17 October 2001 06:01 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Why me? Why is it always me in these situations? I try, God knows I try, but I never get the jokes either, or when occasionally I think I do get one, then a smarty like rasmus or 'lance or wingy comes along and nudges me and I realize I didn't get the joke a-tall! a-gain! woe is me.

Howsomever, best I can tell: The literal translation of that aria is Woman is fickle. I thought we could give rasmus a tease over that. (rasmus has been building up to something, given how long he's been AWOL, no?)

So, like, now he tells me it's a pun. But no, not just a pun -- a bunch of puns. Puns. Hmmmn. There's "donna" -- that work for you? "mobile" -- Lalance certainly was that ... There're a bunch of "la"s in there -- variants on "la" have, it's true, played a major role in these threads. And then in the editorial note, "too many" again might refer back to the instigator of this thread, among a host of others ...

Way to ruin a joke, eh? I can do a postmodern version of this with a little more time. But we got our revenge, eh, Michelle?


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Michelle
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posted 17 October 2001 06:03 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I still don't get it.
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skdadl
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posted 17 October 2001 06:08 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
He will be disappointed in us.
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audra trower williams
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posted 17 October 2001 07:53 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I miss Verbatim.
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jeff house
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posted 17 October 2001 08:23 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I get it. (Trust me.)
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Michelle
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posted 18 October 2001 08:31 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
No, see, Jeff, it's not enough to say "I get it." Right after that statement is where you EXPLAIN it to those of us rubes who DON'T get it.
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skdadl
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posted 18 October 2001 10:56 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Jeff, tell us or I'll hold my breath. I mean it.

(Was I close? On any single pun? Is any of them funny?)


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MJ
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posted 18 October 2001 11:30 AM      Profile for MJ     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Skdadl,

My Italian is pretty much non-existant, but I think you got most of the punning. The only addition I'd make is that I think one of the meanings of 'mobile' is also old furniture.


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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 18 October 2001 12:12 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
My Italian is pretty much non-existant

This reminds me of a line from Top Secret.

"I know a little German. He's sitting over there."


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jeff house
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posted 18 October 2001 01:13 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Skdadl ! I see you have been holding your breath since 10:56 AM! Quite a feat ! So, I would explain the pun, except Lalance is also holding her breath, and I want to make use of the opportunity. Hope you don't mind.

Also, the more I stare at it, the more I see
INNUMERABLE brilliant illusions. "la" = clearly a reference to Los Angeles (on one level); "donna" : here, he cleverly misquotes the song, as the word there is "donn' " with the "a" missing, or elided, or something. So, the reference is clearly to a mafia "don". From L.A.

Also, note: "la"lance, and also la"la"nce.
Also, note: Lalaland= West Coast, equals California, equals B.C.

Don;t get me started on "mobile". (Though who could have missed the reference to Mobile Alabama, capital of racism and intolerance?)


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Michelle
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posted 04 October 2002 03:30 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
This thread is so funny, despite the thread title. I must move it to The Best Of Babble, if only for the the duelling parodies between WingNut and Lalance on the first page.
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Adam Smith
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posted 07 April 2003 04:36 AM      Profile for Adam Smith     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Hey they're gone.
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Doug
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posted 09 April 2003 02:54 AM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I almost miss that pic of the Seattle protester turtles.
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skdadl
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posted 11 April 2003 12:51 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Ah, nostalgia.

Funny, but my memory of us-all in October 2001 has been that we were all very depressed. Memory: the tricks it plays.

Was this the first time that 'lance did his geology doe snot? That Wingy pee'd on 'lance's leg? The last time we heard from rasmus? Etc?


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Wilf Day
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posted 14 June 2003 06:12 PM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I'm glad some one dug out this immortal thread.

How come no one ever noticed that Lalance claimed to be a conservative 27-year old female student? Surely not something the free market would pay for. Lalance is clearly pulling our legs. Likely a prank planted by Judy Rebick herself. Or Audra.


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Michelle
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posted 14 June 2003 11:37 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Nah. I doubt Judy or Audra would make such nasty comments about Thobani, even as a joke or a satire.
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mick1000
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posted 15 June 2003 08:38 PM      Profile for mick1000     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Good Memory Michelle!!
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Michelle
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posted 15 June 2003 08:43 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Hee hee. Well I never saw you do it, Dad, it was just a family legend.
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