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TCD
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posted 24 December 2005 12:27 AM      Profile for TCD     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
This was mentioned in the Star today - not online.

It seems the Executive Vice-President of the Liberal Party of Canada Mike Klander thought it would be hilarious to post a picture of Olivia with a Pekinese dog and claim they're "Separated at Birth"

He took down his whole blog once the media got a hold of it but you can view the google cache here.

And here's a Liberal you can write to ferd.longo@lpco.ca demanding that Mr. Klander immediately resign.

I'd CC Olivia Chow's campaign as well, and forward them any responses: olivia@oliviachow.ca

For the record - these are the people who strategic voting protects.

EDITED to fix errors.

[ 24 December 2005: Message edited by: TCD ]


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Kinetix
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posted 24 December 2005 12:41 AM      Profile for Kinetix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Here is the post in question, screencaptured for posterity's sake.

Pay no heed to this small, small man.

Oh, and always Google someone before you give them an important job.


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nevermind
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posted 24 December 2005 01:22 AM      Profile for nevermind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
silly silly man, not worth taking seriously...

the statement he has made about himself...not Oliva Chow


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posted 24 December 2005 01:49 AM      Profile for Marc     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
That post reminds me of that sick, pathetic excuse of a poster named Pity Sing...
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posted 24 December 2005 01:53 AM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Isn't that like saying Betelgeuse three times?
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Vansterdam Kid
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posted 24 December 2005 02:23 AM      Profile for Vansterdam Kid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Hmm, there's that hidden Liberal agenda.
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Kevin_Laddle
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posted 24 December 2005 02:30 AM      Profile for Kevin_Laddle   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
That is so rude and downright disrespecful. The Liberal Party is turning into a disgrace.
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Makwa
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posted 24 December 2005 02:32 AM      Profile for Makwa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by nevermind:
silly silly man, not worth taking seriously...
Maybe it's just me, but I take such egregious racism quite seriously. I don't think this should be simply shrugged off.

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Vansterdam Kid
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posted 24 December 2005 02:45 AM      Profile for Vansterdam Kid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Also, coming from a person who condemend an NDP candidate with the old guilt by association trick, isn't this comment about not taking the Liberal man seriously a little hypocritical? I mean jeesh, executive vice president of the Liberal Party. It's really quite disgusting that a person like that would be in such a position.
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posted 24 December 2005 03:00 AM      Profile for Albireo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Say, there was some other pretty high-quality stuff on that blog:
quote:
Jack Layton...A-hole of the Week

I'm going away for a couple of days so I thought I would find something smart and witty to put up on my blog before I left. Unfortunatley I couldn't think of anything so I just want to say that I think Jack Layton is an asshole... for no reason other than it makes me feel good to say it...and because he is.


The wit! The insight!

It looks like there was a call from HQ ordering this dimwit to take down his blog.

[ 24 December 2005: Message edited by: Albireo ]


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fast_twitch_neurons
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posted 24 December 2005 03:02 AM      Profile for fast_twitch_neurons     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Big-L Liberalism. Typical.
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posted 24 December 2005 03:16 AM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by nevermind:
silly silly man, not worth taking seriously...

"worth" hell. This is an election campaign. This dork just shot himself an albatross; time to hang it around his neck while it putrefies. If being a racist scumbucket prick is so important to this a-hole that he can't stop doing it in public in the middle of an election campaign, he deserves to personally and as representative of the political party he holds a very high position in have it rammed down his throat. Let's see what the Chinese Canadian voters think about top-rank Liberals acting like this, or about the fact that nobody in the party restrained him. I say publicize the hell out of it, especially in the ethnic presses and radio stations and in Olivia's riding.


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Jacob Two-Two
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posted 24 December 2005 03:17 AM      Profile for Jacob Two-Two     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Well, this is interesting. A Liberal bigwig is so senselessly infuriated by Jack that he feels the need to publicly call him an asshole, because that makes him feel better. What is making him so mad? Could it be a surging NDP that is eating into their vote, a vote that resists all their efforts to be won back, thus keeping them from a majority? He he.

Everyone keeps saying they're in panic mode. I'm starting to think they're right.


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Marc
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posted 24 December 2005 03:20 AM      Profile for Marc     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Do you smell the rank stench of desperation coming out of the Ianno camp? They obviously know that every day is a day closer to the end of his useless tenure as an MP.
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posted 24 December 2005 03:25 AM      Profile for spiffy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
oh this just keeps getting better and better. he's also the liberal riding president in toronto-danforth, which is jack layton's riding!!!!!!!!

jerk. liberal. ....er, same thing.


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Albireo
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posted 24 December 2005 03:28 AM      Profile for Albireo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Apparently he is also the Ontario Liberals' riding association President in Toronto-Danforth (link), so I guess that's part of his hate-on for Jack. How dare a non-Liberal be successful on his own home turf!

Edit: this was cross-posted with spiffy above. Note that he is the provincial Lib riding ass. president. They've been losing there to Marilyn Churley of the NDP for years.

[ 24 December 2005: Message edited by: Albireo ]


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posted 24 December 2005 07:37 AM      Profile for rinne     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Thank you Rufus:

"This is an election campaign. This dork just shot himself an albatross; time to hang it around his neck while it putrefies. If being a racist scumbucket prick is so important to this a-hole that he can't stop doing it in public in the middle of an election campaign, he deserves to personally and as representative of the political party he holds a very high position in have it rammed down his throat. Let's see what the Chinese Canadian voters think about top-rank Liberals acting like this, or about the fact that nobody in the party restrained him. I say publicize the hell out of it, especially in the ethnic presses and radio stations and in Olivia's riding."

Just think, this is what passes for leadership in the Liberal party.


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posted 24 December 2005 08:07 AM      Profile for Stargazer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I just dropped an e-mail to Dalton McQuinty alerting him to this asshat's blog. I hope he has the guts to do something about this person. I am not holding my breath.
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posted 24 December 2005 08:20 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Disgusting. And nobody in the party restrained him, as Rufus says.

Let's just keep repeating that line for all the Liberals we meet.


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posted 24 December 2005 10:10 AM      Profile for Tory Spelling   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
That's why the Liberals are going to lose. Because they are bankrupt, of ideas, policy and vision. The sad truth is they have been bankrupt since the day they took office in 93. Finally, the people are catching on to that reality. And they are, in droves.
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posted 24 December 2005 10:15 AM      Profile for fern hill        Edit/Delete Post
Thinking of that thread on women running for office, I'm wondering if they'd try this shit if it were a male Chinese candidate. Also, would they do if if she were married to a Chinese man? The combination of the three factors -- gender, race and 'unusual' marriage -- really set her up for the nutbar-haters.
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posted 24 December 2005 10:27 AM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
You can smell their fear.
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rinne
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posted 24 December 2005 11:14 AM      Profile for rinne     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I hope that voters will understand that the Executive Vice-President of the Liberal Party of Canada not only sets the tone but reflects the values of the party.

Who is reading his blog? Obviously it is only intended for Liberals.

Clearly he has no respect for the civilized discussion of what is needed to meet the challenges facing us right now. It is shocking and sad that these people are the "leaders".

[ 24 December 2005: Message edited by: a citizen of winnipeg ]


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posted 24 December 2005 11:56 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
Has anyone forwarded this thread to Paul Wells, Warren Kinsella, CBC, CTV, Globe & Mail, etc. etc. yet? This should be publicized all to hell.

BTW... where's Maxx to give us the "official Liberal spin" on this?

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fern hill
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posted 24 December 2005 12:18 PM      Profile for fern hill        Edit/Delete Post
I just sent it to Bourque.
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TCD
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posted 24 December 2005 12:55 PM      Profile for TCD     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I apologize for the crappy initial posting. It was done in anger.

I don't think racism should be "ignored" and anyone who thinks this guy's idea of humour is accepatble should be ashamed of themselves. This is something I'd expect to find on a Heritage Front website.

I won't be satisfied with any less than his resignation.

[ 24 December 2005: Message edited by: TCD ]


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posted 24 December 2005 02:06 PM      Profile for Jesse Hoffman     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Amazing - I shipped an e-mail off to Paul Wells who, one would think, could have a field day with this.

Pathetic, desperate, disgusting. What is particularly amazing is that such a petty and shockingly shallow thinker could be the Executive Vice-President of the Liberal Party of Canada!

What were the qualifications for his hire, I wonder?


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posted 24 December 2005 02:11 PM      Profile for spiffy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
for clarity's sake, he's executive vp of the liberal party of canada (ontario), not the whole federal party.
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Hephaestion
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posted 24 December 2005 02:47 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by spiffy:

for clarity's sake, he's executive vp of the liberal party of canada (ontario), not the whole federal party.



Nevertheless, he seems pretty well connected...



quote:
As a senior political organizer Mike played a significant role in building Paul Martin's Leadership organization in Ontario. Prior to joining Martin's team, Mike helped build a national organization for Brian Tobin and also served as his Campaign Manager in Ontario.

As Executive Director of the Liberal Party of Canada (Ontario) Mike was responsible for managing the day to day affairs of the Federal Liberal Party in Ontario. In that capacity he served as Ontario Campaign Director during the 2000 Federal Election Campaign. In his eight years with the organization he held several other positions including Field Organizer, and Director of Field Operations.

An organizer in every federal and provincial election campaign since 1988 Mike has developed a comprehensive understanding of the political process and how government operates. Building on that experience, he established Klander and Associates; an independent government relations practice representing clients both in Ottawa and at Queen's Park.

Mike has served and continues to assist numerous clients including Research in Motion, Inco, BFI Canada, Imperial Tobacco Canada, The Greater Toronto Home Builders Association, the International Union of Operating Engineers and the Air Canada Pilots Association.

As a volunteer Mike sits on the Board of the Ontario Special Olympics and Rose Cherry's Home for Kids. He is also Executive Vice-President of the Liberal Party of Canada (Ontario).

[ 24 December 2005: Message edited by: Hephaestion ]


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posted 24 December 2005 04:51 PM      Profile for rinne     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Perhaps Mike Klander would like to rethink his list and add an eleventh item that will make him sick.

“The campaign hasn't even started but I'm going out on a limb to predict the the top ten things that will make me sick.

1. Being dragged out to a Liberal rally, lied to so I'm there 30 minutes early, and then forced to stand in a hot room that's way too small to give the appearance that everyone wants to be there.

2. The terms "culture of entitlement", "adscam" or "whistleblower"...blow this!

3. Harper being flanked by the sexy Rona Ambrose at every opportunity

4. Harper being flanked by the ethnic Rahim Jaffer at every opportunity

5. Anyone who tells me that the only poll that counts is the one on election day

6. The media's overuse of the terms "vote-rich", "seat-rich" or "battleground" Ontario

7. Candidates who tell me that their "dedicated" and "committed" - yeah so what! So was Stalin

8. The 10 day break during Christmas...I celebrate Christmas for two, maybe three days, it not like we're fasting in the desert or something

9. Talk of a Liberal "breakthrough" in BC...I've heard it before

10. Olivia Chow”

11. Being busted in the MSM as an example of the arrogance and ignorance of the Liberal Party and having people all across Canada ask that I resign, that is, get off of the Liberal’s, self-described, “big comfy fur rug”.

Blog


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TCD
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posted 24 December 2005 07:02 PM      Profile for TCD     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by spiffy:
for clarity's sake, he's executive vp of the liberal party of canada (ontario), not the whole federal party.
Thanks for the clarification. It doesn't make it any more acceptable.

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TCD
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posted 24 December 2005 11:39 PM      Profile for TCD     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
More Klander wit:

Evidently being paralyzed from the neck down is hilarious. In this post he mocks Steven Fletcher.

quote:
Quadriplegic Conservative MP invites health minister to "take this outside" ... This is funny so stop pretending that its not...stop being so politically correct will you?
What a human specimen Mister Klander is!

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Anyone written to the Ontario Special Olympics about how appropriate it is to be associating with this guy who seems it is approrpriate not only to insult Olivia the way he did but also making fun of Fletcher for being in a wheelchair.
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Hephaestion
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posted 25 December 2005 12:29 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
Cripes, prolly even Imperial Tobacco will want to put some distance between themselves and him, with the stench that's gonna come rolling off this pig. Oddly enough, though, maybe BFI Canada is just the spot for this bit of garbage.
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posted 25 December 2005 12:44 AM      Profile for MasterDebator        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:
Has anyone forwarded this thread to Paul Wells, Warren Kinsella, CBC, CTV, Globe & Mail, etc. etc. yet? This should be publicized all to hell.

BTW... where's Maxx to give us the "official Liberal spin" on this?


Good question, Heph. But I must admit to being puzzled as to how you judge Maxx an obvious Liberal troll but not RealityBites.

And I really think that if this poster had been run by the Tories the outcry would have been instantaneous and deafening. As it is, it's pretty muted, a kind of "yeah, ... {yawn} ... disgusting alright ..." kind of reaction.


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posted 25 December 2005 12:51 AM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Point of information; the dog in the photo is not a Pekinese, it is a Chow Chow or a Chow dog; quite a bit bigger than a Pekinese.
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quote:
posted by Hephaestion: Nevertheless, he seems pretty well connected ...
And so are his eye brows. Gives him that neo-neanderthal aspect so favoured by political cronyists, erm, lobbyists.

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posted 25 December 2005 02:48 AM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Don Cherry might also want to reconsider whether he want him on the Board of The Rose Cherry Home.

I wonder if any of the other LPC-Ontario executive members have blogs?

quote:
Elected to the LPC(O) executive were: Elaine Flis, re-elected as Vice-President (Communications); Howard Stevenson (Treasurer); Vice-President (Policy) Kim Doran; and Georgina Bencsik (Multiculturalism – the first time LPC(O) has elected that position.). Newly elected Eastern Region Vice-President Neil Kudrinko succeeds long-serving V-P Norma Lamont.

Acclaimed to their positions were: Executive Vice-President Mike Klander, a former Executive Director of LPC(O); Secretary Rob Jamieson, previously Executive Vice-President and recently a candidate for the Party in Renfrew – Nipissing – Pembroke, and all of the other regional Vice-Presidents, mostly incumbents. Mike Crawley continues his term as LPC(O) President.



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posted 25 December 2005 04:42 AM      Profile for Gir Draxon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin_Laddle:
That is so rude and downright disrespecful. The Liberal Party is turning into a disgrace.

They crossed that line a long time ago. I suggest you change "disgrace" to "criminal". Adscam aside, this is against the law. It's hate speech.


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posted 25 December 2005 05:09 PM      Profile for Vansterdam Kid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
So I wonder what our resident capital-L Liberals think of this.
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I'm not a Liberal but I don't find the Olivia post any worse than this one:

In fact I found the one I just posted to be much more offensive.

Just in case you're wondering where I found it, look near the bottom of this thread. Sorry but I don't know how to link to a particular post on a thread.

[ 25 December 2005: Message edited by: abnormal ]


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Olivia's last name always makes me think of chow chow...

Klander's post is a bit silly, but I don't see how it's racist.


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Makwa
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posted 25 December 2005 06:43 PM      Profile for Makwa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Can't seem to post properly today.

[ 25 December 2005: Message edited by: Makwa ]


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Makwa
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posted 25 December 2005 06:44 PM      Profile for Makwa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post

[ 25 December 2005: Message edited by: Makwa ]


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Makwa
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posted 25 December 2005 06:50 PM      Profile for Makwa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by abnormal:
In fact I found the one I just posted to be much more offensive.
Me too. I'm kind of saddened that people would inadvertantly slip into using such racist imagery.
quote:
Originally posted by Maxx:Olivia's last name always makes me think of chow chow...
Presumably, you also have no idea how publicly mocking an Asian name is profoundly racist.
quote:
Originally posted by abnormal:
By the way, I do like the blog.
What's to like? No, really? It just seems immature and nasty. This is a senior lobbyist posting his public musings? For the entire world to see?

Sometimes I don't have any idea what I am doing here. I really don't. I think I am just irritating everyone, who is in some kind of special club with special rules that I don't understand. Then again, I feel like that everywhere.

[ 25 December 2005: Message edited by: Makwa ]


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posted 25 December 2005 06:57 PM      Profile for fern hill        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Maxx:
Olivia's last name always makes me think of chow chow...

Klander's post is a bit silly, but I don't see how it's racist.


You don't see it because you are a blithering idiot.

p.s. I'm sending an email to Michelle on this.


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quote:
Originally posted by fern hill:

You don't see it because you are a blithering idiot.

p.s. I'm sending an email to Michelle on this.



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posted 25 December 2005 07:14 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Maxx:
Olivia's last name always makes me think of chow chow...

Klander's post is a bit silly, but I don't see how it's racist.


You know Maxx, this thread is a prime example of one where a Liberal apologist should, if he can't bring himself to condemn ANYTHING the party does, should have the grain of common sense required to SHUT THE FUCK UP.

My god, what a friggin' a-hole you are!


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posted 25 December 2005 07:23 PM      Profile for S1m0n        Edit/Delete Post
Betcha he was drunk.
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Paul Wells has responded to the Klanders post on his blog:
quote:
Which blood vessels would Susan Murray and John Duffy be popping if they'd discovered a Conservative moron comparing an Asian-Canadian candidate to a dog?

Fortunately it wasn't a Conservative at all. And until just now I didn't think the guy in question was a moron. It was Mike Klander, a senior executive in the Liberal Party of Canada; Paul Martin's senior leadership organizer in Ontario; the muscle the Grits sent in to roll over Sheila Copps in Hamilton in '04; and riding-association president to Tony Ianno, who's running against Olivia Chow, whom Klander smears here.


More here: Link.


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posted 25 December 2005 07:25 PM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by S1m0n:
Betcha he was drunk.


And aren't people who they really are when they're drunk?

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posted 25 December 2005 07:49 PM      Profile for abnormal   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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It just seems immature and nasty.

Immature? Yes. Nasty? Yes.

To be truly honest the first thought that came to mind when I saw the other thread title was that it was a comment on Olivia's appearance. (I know, I'm a sexist pig - my wife tells me that daily. ) Would anyone have titled a thread that way if it had been Lindsay Lohan for example?

But more to the point, everyone seemed to feel the post comparing Ms. Rice to a monkey was okay but somehow got offended when someone made a not so witty pun on Olivia's last name. While I'm not a fan of either individual I think the comment re Ms. Rice is an order of magnitude worse than the Chow Chow remark.

[ 25 December 2005: Message edited by: abnormal ]


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posted 25 December 2005 08:34 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by abnormal:

...I think the comment re Ms. Rice is an order of magnitude worse than the Chow Chow remark.



Yup, it's all about Rice, all right. That would explain this:



Or these

Although I didn't make up that picture posted above (it was originally sent to me by a friend who is, ironically enough, a black man) I understood that the underlying commentary was about Bush and Rice's neanderthal attitudes. I in no way intended it to be a racial stereotype, and if anyone took it that way, I regret it and apologize *most* sincerely. 'kay?

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posted 25 December 2005 08:46 PM      Profile for Makwa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:
I in no way intended it to be a racial stereotype, and if anyone took it that way, I regret it and apologize *most* sincerely. 'kay?
Hephaestion, I know you are the opposite of a racist in every way, and this just underscores how racism is so embedded in our culture that even the most intelligent and thoughtful of us (which leaves me out) can inadverdently slip into racialized caricature. However what Klander (snicker, I'm so stoopid) has done is not a mistake, it's full blown racist hostility.

Now I can sit back and wait while somebody calls me a bigot or a racist or playing the 'race card' or how I'm nothing without whining about racism or how whining about racism keeps showing up in every fucking thread.


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posted 25 December 2005 09:06 PM      Profile for The Baboon        Edit/Delete Post
I don't see calling Olivia Chow is any different from calling George Bush a chimp.
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posted 25 December 2005 09:07 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by fern hill:
You don't see it because you are a blithering idiot.

p.s. I'm sending an email to Michelle on this.


Yeah, Maxx, y'know, if you can't see the problem with comparing Olivia Chow to a Chow Chow, then I don't know what to tell you, except that your comment goes past Liberal apologist (which is fine - there's no rule saying you have to be NDP on babble) and into offensiveness. Watch it.

Also, MasterDebator - I'm not going to tell you again to quit calling RealityBites a liberal troll - you've been doing it for months now. Leave him alone and quit baiting him.


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posted 25 December 2005 09:10 PM      Profile for abnormal   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Hephaestion,

I don't think you're a racist but I do think that there seems to be a serious double standard on Babble. I chuckled when I saw your original Separated at Birth post and would have been very surprised if anyone took offense. However, when people went ballistic about an admittedly tasteless pun on Olivia's name I felt obligated to dig it up. Is it okay to pick on Ms. Rice because she's a Republican but unacceptable to pick on Olivia because she's NDP? Why is one okay and the other isn't? Especially since the Condoleeza post is actually much more offensive than the Olivia post?

As I noted earlier, when I clicked on the "Olivia Chow is a Dog" thread I'd seriously expected to find some comment about her appearance - I do think it's safe to say that no-one would have titled a thread about Lindsay Lohan et al that way.


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posted 25 December 2005 09:27 PM      Profile for BCastro     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Front and center on Bourque right now:

ONTARIO FED LIB BIGWIG MIKE KLANDER -- ANOTHER TOP MARTIN AIDE IN HOT WATER OVER SLURS


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Hephaestion
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posted 25 December 2005 09:45 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by abnormal:

Is it okay to pick on Ms. Rice because she's a Republican but unacceptable to pick on Olivia because she's NDP? Why is one okay and the other isn't? Especially since the Condoleeza post is actually much more offensive than the Olivia post?



No, I pick on Rice because of her support for reprehensible, reactionary policies (which Olivia Chow is *not* guilty of). I recall that at one time on babble a furor erupted over some people calling Rice and Powell "Uncle Toms" -- the same thing happened, for the same reason, over at the 365gay.com forum a couple of months earlier. In that case, I thought it was amusing that the people busy being offended were white middle-class liberals, while the person who made the initial charge was an African-American man who has actually taken some classes from Doctor Rice, and who called her a "jumped-up dunce" who didn't have the intellectual capacity to perform the job of secretary of state. I think it's fair game to call black Americans who support the Republican party (the same party that worked so hard to disenfranchise blacks across the south, particularly in Florida) "Uncle Toms", and especially so in the case of Rice, who is on record of minimizing the importance of the entire civil rights movement. And I understand the point made by my friend Wari (the same one who called Dr. Rice a "jumped-up dunce" and an "Uncle Tom") when he wrote that, as a gay black man, he felt the same way about Colin Powell's involvement in the Republican Party that he does about the Log Cabin Republicans -- that they are quislings, worthy of nothing better than scorn and derision.

Now, if Olivia Chow was to support the same type of neanderthal, reactionary and yes, racist policies that Dr. Rice does, I would be just as liable to compare her to an ape, but it would have nothing whatsoever to do with her ethnicity.

Actually, if anyone deserves an apology for that Bush/Rice picture, it's our primate cousins; I doubt they would be anything like as destructive toward their own people as Rice and Bush have been.

[ 25 December 2005: Message edited by: Hephaestion ]


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posted 25 December 2005 09:55 PM      Profile for abnormal   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I guess that means it's okay to use racial epithets if you disagree with somebody's opinion?

How about this one. Seems a black government senator, who happens to have his own radio show, disagreed with one of his black callers and proceeded to call them a "house nigger". Where do you draw the line?


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posted 25 December 2005 10:03 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by The Baboon:
I don't see calling Olivia Chow is any different from calling George Bush a chimp.

And if anyone should know, it's a baboon.

(Yep, always go for the cheap and easy laugh, that's me)


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posted 25 December 2005 10:10 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
This is turning into an interesting discussion.

I think the difference between what Heph posted and what this guy posted was that Heph posted a picture of both Bush AND Rice which turned into chimps. It's true that comparing black people to apes has been an age-old racist stereotype, but it might not have been so readily apparent in a picture with both Bush (a white person who is constantly being compared to a chimp not because of his race but because of his troglodyte views) and Rice. I think it would have been immediately apparent in a picture with just Rice in it, if she were compared to an ape, due to the traditional racist slur that would invoke.

Calling Bush a chimp isn't racist if you ask me - there is no racist stereotyping involved. Calling Rice a chimp is, because she is black, and that is a traditional stereotype of black people. The picture of them together being compared to chimps - well, I think that probably the first association white people will make is the usual (non-racist) Bush=chimp because of his political views and extend that to Rice in that particular picture.

On the other hand, a person of colour who looks at that picture might just see Rice=chimp first due to the racism they deal with on a regular basis, and immediately see a racial slur in it - which is why I understand why people would really dislike that picture, and why it's probably a really bad idea to post it.

(Just so you know, I never saw that picture before it was mentioned in this thread.

As for black people calling other black people "house niggers" - I'm so far from qualified to talk about that, that I wouldn't dream of commenting on it. I think it would make an interesting discussion though. I wouldn't condemn a person of colour for saying that. I don't think I'd use the term myself, though - it's a much different thing coming from a white person.

[ 25 December 2005: Message edited by: Michelle ]


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Hephaestion
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posted 25 December 2005 10:12 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by abnormal:

I guess that means it's okay to use racial epithets if you disagree with somebody's opinion?

Now who here was doing that?

How about this one. Seems a black government senator, who happens to have his own radio show, disagreed with one of his black callers and proceeded to call them a "house nigger". Where do you draw the line?

Y'know what? That's exactly the phrase used by Wari to describe the Log Cabin Republicans. "House Niggers". I rather dislike that word myself, but used in a phrase such as that, it carries very definite conotations, much as "Uncle Tom" does. And I fully understood why he used the phrase. Personally, I wouldn't use that phrase, but I'm not about to get shirty with Wari for using it.

Where do you draw the line? Well, I guess it's a line we all have to draw for ourselves. Some people here don't like me referring to LGBT people as "queers", some people get offended when others use the words "dykes" or "fags" (even if the person using those words is homosexual). I'd say it's not a hard-and-fast rule, and the person's intent must be taken into account. Funny, though, I don't think Klander was meaning anything but a derogatory slur, based on ethnicity, with his posting.

[ 25 December 2005: Message edited by: Hephaestion ]


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posted 25 December 2005 10:16 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I think Klander and others in the media, like Charles Adler, make ad hominem attacks against people in the NDP because they are safe in the knowledge that no one will call them out as the big bags of shit they are, and punch them in the nose.

[ 25 December 2005: Message edited by: Tommy_Paine ]


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posted 25 December 2005 10:20 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:
Bush (a white person who is constantly being compared to a chimp not because of his race but because of his troglodyte views)

I thought it was also (or primarily) because his facial expressions tend to resemble our cousins' more than most peoples' do.


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posted 25 December 2005 10:27 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
That too, I guess. But still, it's because of his individual facial configuration, not a stereotype of his racial attributes.
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posted 25 December 2005 10:45 PM      Profile for abnormal   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
his individual facial configuration

I do remember that during a previous election campaign, someone ran an ad with a picture of Chretien and a caption to the effect "I this the face of the man you want to be your Prime Minister?" There was an incredible uproar because it was deemed to be an attack on the handicapped.

Fast forward to the last election. I saw similar things about Belinda (generally that she was a pretty face). Sexist crap at best. But no outcry. Here or elsewhere.

However, it seems that it's okay to use degrading terms if you don't agree with someone's positions. I'll remember that.


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posted 25 December 2005 10:56 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Well, the real trouble with all this is that comparing your political opponent to an animal is usually the first step along the way to political murder.

It's much easier to kill a person if you stip them of humanity first.


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posted 25 December 2005 11:12 PM      Profile for pencil-skirt     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Instead of arguing about what level of respect we owe George Bush, maybe babblers can consider how we make news about this Klander incident. The Scott Reid beer and popcorn gaffe was less egregious in my opinion.

Mocking a Chinese last name is offensive. Let's be honest, if a kid with the name Chow was called a Chow Chow as an insult, by a playground bully, they'd get a real talking-to about racism.

Besides, when the blog is so filled with hate for Jack Layton and Olivia - I don't see how you can square Klander comparing a woman politician to a dog. It was done hatefully and misogynistically in my opinion.

Not to mention the homophobic comments about politicians looking "too gay."

I encourage everyone to email the Ianno campaign and call for a Liberal apology on these comments. To clarify - Klander is obviously not just a provincial Liberal. He is the executive vice-president of the Ontario branch of the Federal party - this is the Martin Liberals, separate from the McGuinty liberals.

Ianno's Email:
tony@tonyianno.ca


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posted 25 December 2005 11:43 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Appology? Screw that. Call him out as a coward, a bully, a big bag of shit, and give him a little chin music.
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posted 25 December 2005 11:46 PM      Profile for abnormal   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Mocking a Chinese last name is offensive.

So is linking Condoleeza to a chimp (actually this one was much more so even though I know the individual that did it didn't mean anything by it). The name thing is simply tasteless and pales in comparison. The defense seems to be that it's okay to use racial slurs if the individual in question holds offensive views. Yeah. Right.


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posted 25 December 2005 11:53 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by abnormal:

The defense seems to be that it's okay to use racial slurs if the individual in question holds offensive views. Yeah. Right.



Bull. Shit. There was *nothing* racial intended, and I have plainly stated as much, as well as apologizing if *anyone* took it that way.

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posted 26 December 2005 12:04 AM      Profile for knuckles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by abnormal:
I do remember that during a previous election campaign, someone ran an ad with a picture of Chretien and a caption to the effect "I this the face of the man you want to be your Prime Minister?" There was an incredible uproar because it was deemed to be an attack on the handicapped.

Comparing Bush to a monkey is different than making fun of someone with Bell's palsy. BTW, the PCs were the *someone* who ran the ad. I don't believe the Democratic Party has made ads making fun of Bush for looking like a monkey.

quote:
I saw similar things about Belinda (generally that she was a pretty face).

What exactly? Were there ads?

[ 26 December 2005: Message edited by: knuckles ]


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posted 26 December 2005 12:12 AM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Tommy_Paine:
Appology? Screw that. Call him out as a coward, a bully, a big bag of shit, and give him a little chin music.

I think I agree - just don't know what chin music is.

I think he should resign his posts.


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posted 26 December 2005 12:53 AM      Profile for Privateer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by a citizen of winnipeg:
9. Talk of a Liberal "breakthrough" in BC...I've heard it before

I think he's more or less ensured that won't happen. Wait til the BC Asian media responds to these slurs. Say goodbye to a few Liberal seats.


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posted 26 December 2005 01:33 AM      Profile for fast_twitch_neurons     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The media will likely ignore this event, as it was a liberal who made this gaffe.
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posted 26 December 2005 01:40 AM      Profile for Kinetix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Heh, thanks to Paul Wells, this 'alert blogger' has generated a hefty little hosting bill. If anybody wants to buy me dinner for a little while, I wouldn't refuse.

I'm leaving the photo up, though, since I'm already at the next price point, now.


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posted 26 December 2005 01:57 AM      Profile for pebbles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by pencil-skirt:
Mocking a Chinese last name is offensive.

How?

Mocking a person of Chinese ancestry for being of that ancestry, that's racism.

But making a very unfunny pun on someone's name?

Is Mul-Ruin-Eh -- taken straight from a PS union campaign from the second Mulroney term -- anti-Irish?

Crouton or Cretin -- is that anti-French?

"Harpies" -- straight from a Babble admin -- is that anti-whatever-ethnicity-Harper-is?


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posted 26 December 2005 02:52 AM      Profile for Kinetix     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Own a dictionary? Go look up context.

[ 26 December 2005: Message edited by: Kinetix ]


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posted 26 December 2005 03:16 AM      Profile for knuckles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by pebbles:
Mocking a person of Chinese ancestry for being of that ancestry, that's racism.

That's what this 'joke' is doing. He's comparing her to this dog because of her epicanthal folds and her name being similar to this breed's name.

He got the dog picture from here, btw.

[ 26 December 2005: Message edited by: knuckles ]


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posted 26 December 2005 04:07 AM      Profile for Ghost of the Navigator        Edit/Delete Post
While I'm disgusted by Klander's slur against paralysed people in general, it's hard for me to feel much sympathy for Fletcher himself, given that the man is an avowed atheist with a history or making slurs against religious people and agnostics and of supporting homophobic policies. (Pretty odd for a Tory, but I suppose a bigot has no business being in the NDP and no rational quadripalegic would want to be in the party of Marc Garneau...)
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posted 26 December 2005 09:25 AM      Profile for abnormal   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
posted by Hephaestion:
quote:
Bull. Shit. There was *nothing* racial intended, and I have plainly stated as much, as well as apologizing if *anyone* took it that way.

I don't think you meant anything racial by your Separated at Birth post. I simply dug it up because people are taking offense over the Olivia post and I just pointed out that if you're going to take offense at one you've got to take offense at the other.

Others have said that the Rice post was okay because her views are repulsive. The comment you're responding to was actually a comment re the use of terms such as "house nigger" to describe people who's views you disagree with [if it's okay when someone holds repulsive views please define what's repulsive for me?]

posted by pebbles:

quote:
Mocking a person of Chinese ancestry for being of that ancestry, that's racism.

But making a very unfunny pun on someone's name?
...
Crouton or Cretin -- is that anti-French?


I have to agree. And it's not a question of context. It seems to be a question of "their views are repulsive therefore it's okay to mock them". Brings us back to the definition of repulsive.


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posted 26 December 2005 09:37 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
All these things are wrong.

In the first place, Klander was clearly referring also to some imagined facial resemblance as well as mocking a name that is, to him, foreign. And then he mocks a quadriplegic for being a quadriplegic.

It doesn't matter what anyone else has done. Someone else's sins don't get Klander off the hook for being, clearly, a foul-mouthed, smart-mouthed, vulgar racist, and I'm really shocked that abnormal in particular is working so hard to do that.

As Michelle says, the double photo of Bush and Rice might be more ambiguous to white people but let's not do it again, eh?

I personally have long crusaded against animal metaphors for the evildoers among us. To me, that is always unfair to the animals. No way I admire either Bush or Rice as much as I admire your average chimp. And toads and pigs are great wee critters. Watch it, everybody. Or I will complain to the moderators on behalf of the critters.

And Klander: the man should not be in the position he is in. There are no excuses for that kind of garbage. None. And no one else's behaviour qualifies his.


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posted 26 December 2005 10:09 AM      Profile for white rabbit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Ghost of the Navigator:
While I'm disgusted by Klander's slur against paralysed people in general, it's hard for me to feel much sympathy for Fletcher himself, given that the man is an avowed atheist with a history or making slurs against religious people and agnostics and of supporting homophobic policies. (Pretty odd for a Tory, but I suppose a bigot has no business being in the NDP and no rational quadripalegic would want to be in the party of Marc Garneau...)

When or where did Fletcher claim to be atheist? It's usually the other way around, in that religious people make unkind comments about gays.

What do you mean by stating "no rational quadriplegic would want to be in the party of Marc Garneau? Do you know anyone with a spinal cord injury? Perhaps you should stop making such assumptions and stereotypes. If a person sustains a SCI, s/he is unlikely to change their political
views because of that. In other words, if they were a Tory or Liberal before the SCI occured, chances are they will stay a member of the party
they belonged to. It's an outrageous statement you have made about 'rational quadraplegics'.

[ 26 December 2005: Message edited by: white rabbit ]


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posted 26 December 2005 10:37 AM      Profile for nevermind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Vansterdam Kid:
Also, coming from a person who condemend an NDP candidate with the old guilt by association trick, isn't this comment about not taking the Liberal man seriously a little hypocritical? I mean jeesh, executive vice president of the Liberal Party. It's really quite disgusting that a person like that would be in such a position.


Ah nothing like the tow the party line, paint the messenger to be a hypocrtic/racist and whatever else you can do to hide the issue...as Paul Wells has pointed out this is generally a trick by the Maritinites and perhaps the Layton's are just as good at it...

The man who made the comment was silly...I don't know if he was being, racist, sexist, nasty or trying(and failing) at being humorous or all of the above...his days as a power brokers in the Grits are done...and everyone from all parties sees him as a moron...

Difference is Sid is taking the endorsation of a man who thinks Tom Wappel is the perfect politico...

I am as left as anyone on this forum...but the hypocrisy of the left has always made me sick...it's not generally the working class left that are hypocrits...but rather the silver spoon ones, who have their own pet causes...

Thing I love about this site is seeing all of the sanctiminous, holier than thou posters turning one someone for having the audicity to hold a none tow the line opinion...and then showing elitism on critism someone not for their thoughts but for spelling or perceived gramatical errors....

(I could point out how that would be unfair to folks whose first language is not English, or people who may have dyslexia, ADHD or other learning disabilties but why bother..I'll just continue to enjoy those of you who like to throw stones...trouble is you always miss your target by a mile)


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posted 26 December 2005 10:49 AM      Profile for eire1     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Recently we had Liberak 'Star' Candidate Marc Garneau being quoted as saying handicapped people are a waist of space, Yes, the Nazi days were so much better when the cipples and blinders knew their place - in a gas chamber.

Now we have NDP candidate Olivia Chow being compared to a dog and not in an idiomatic sence 'she's a dog (ugly)' but actually comparing her to a dog. I know that many people are dog lovers but in some cultures to call someone a dog is a real insult. I tool the picture as a way of saying that Olivia Chow is a b--ch.

Better start firing up the gas chambers. There is a growing list of so called subhumans that the Liberals manifestly want to flush down the memory hole.


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posted 26 December 2005 11:16 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by nevermind:
Thing I love about this site is seeing all of the sanctiminous, holier than thou posters turning one someone for having the audicity to hold a none tow the line opinion...and then showing elitism on critism someone not for their thoughts but for spelling or perceived gramatical errors....

If you dislike the posters here so much, then leave. Making nasty generalizations about everyone in a community because some of them disagree with you is not acceptable.


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posted 26 December 2005 11:17 AM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by eire1:
Recently we had Liberak 'Star' Candidate Marc Garneau being quoted as saying handicapped people are a waist of space

What he said was bad enough without you pretending he said something worse.

Furthermore, considering some people sub-human is hardly unique to the Liberal Party. What the fuck do you think NDP "star" candidate Ed Schreyer meant when he called gay people an affliction?

At least Garneau had the brains to offer a half-hearted apology. More than can be said for Schreyer.

[ 26 December 2005: Message edited by: RealityBites ]


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posted 26 December 2005 11:39 AM      Profile for Sean in Ottawa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I am not certain the Olivia Chow post by that Liberal was an intentional racial slur.

I think the racial slur may have been accidental on the way to something else.
It is clearly a sexist comment comparing a woman to a dog-- he just picked the breed that had a similar name in order to make the claim that it was "humour".

What is wierd that in all the huff taken about whether or not the racial slur was meant or not or is serious or not, there is no possible doubt about the intended sexist underpinning of the post. Why is he being let away with this -- the part that is so clearly the intended pupose???

Why would any person who finds sexism offensive ever want to vote Liberal -- it seems the party has no gone much past -- bum-patters-are-us....

...also why are so many posters here not getting the obviously intentional sexist angle of this?


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posted 26 December 2005 11:39 AM      Profile for Privateer     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The upside is Olivia Chow is now certain to defeat to Ianno. It may be a bit crude but Liberals are the ultimate believers in Real Politik so its nice to see come back and smack them for once. They are so deserving of it.
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posted 26 December 2005 11:40 AM      Profile for retread     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I got to admit I find the comment on Chow's name to be racist, because the chow-chow is a dog associated with the Chinese. If she'd been compared to say a collie then it would have been offensive but not racist.

I find the Rice morph to be racist too, because of the history of calling black's apes.

As for comparing Bush and the chimp (besides prefering chimps to GWB), in honesty I'd have to say that for the most part its making fun of a physical defect - his face ... he does look like a chimp (though more like Alfred E Neuman). Making fun of a physical defect is disgusting (who knows, he was probably teased about it as a kid, maybe why his character is so warped), but not racist - unless someone can find a history of white people being called apes.


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posted 26 December 2005 11:49 AM      Profile for white rabbit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by eire1:
Recently we had Liberak 'Star' Candidate Marc Garneau being quoted as saying handicapped people are a waist of space

Apparently his comments were made two decades ago. I'm sure many people of all political backgrounds held such views 20 years ago.

Persons with disabilities and SCI belong to all political parties and share a diversity of opinions on such topics as SSM, federalism, etc - just as able-bodied people do. They are no more inclined to belong to one particular party over another than are Natives, Blacks, women, or any other group.


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posted 26 December 2005 12:13 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by RealityBites:

I think I agree - just don't know what chin music is.


It's either a Mickey Spillaneism or Framk Millerism for repeated application of the fists to someone's chin.


You can finesse, extrapolate, wax phillosophic over some issues, but once and a while you have to ask yourself:

"What would Marv do?"


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posted 26 December 2005 02:06 PM      Profile for Sharon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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... just don't know what chin music is.

"Chin music" is an expression used in baseball -- as in, brushing someone back from the plate by throwing a high hard inside pitch that comes close to hitting the batter.

[ 26 December 2005: Message edited by: Sharon ]


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posted 26 December 2005 02:42 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Groovy. Does this mean we can talk baseball now?

While still trashing Klander, of course.

Man, I miss baseball, though. I've been missing it for about a decade now ... Isn't December awful?


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skdadl, of all the team sports, baseball is my favourite game. I can never understand people who think it's slow and boring. My son (11 years old) plays baseball and it's the favourite of his team sports also. At that level -- Mosquito (second year) -- it's a lot of fun but also exciting and nail-biting.

I love watching the players at the major league level -- although I don't always approve of them, of course.

And one of my favourite days of the winter is always the day -- sometime deep in February -- when I happily announce, "Spring training's opened!"

Yeah -- darn Klander, eh? Not only a jerk but, apparently not very politically smart, if I may put it that way.


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posted 26 December 2005 03:09 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Once you get used to it, baseball on radio, you can do anything with baseball, in my experience.

You can knit and listen to baseball. You can proofread and listen to baseball. You can throw a party and listen to baseball. You can even sleep, on and off, and listen to baseball.

What's not to like?


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posted 26 December 2005 03:24 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by skdadl:

You can knit... proofread... throw a party... even sleep, on and off, and listen to baseball.



Reminds me of Dorothy Parker's one-line review of a play she didn't care for: "If you don't knit, bring a good book."

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posted 26 December 2005 03:34 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Truth be told, Heph, knitting is so much like baseball that in fact it is not enough on its own.

With either one, you always need something else to do.


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posted 26 December 2005 04:28 PM      Profile for nevermind     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Michelle:

If you dislike the posters here so much, then leave. Making nasty generalizations about everyone in a community because some of them disagree with you is not acceptable.


If you took it personally Michelle, I am sorry...you have shown yourself to be a pretty decent person...and perhaps I do generalize (don't we all at times)...but I have to say that I go to some more poltically diverse website than this one...and while I have problems with some of the politics of folks to the right...I find there are more rude, nasty and intolerent folks here than elsewhere...maybe people could think about trying to disagree with respect...(that will probably set of another round of personal attack, but prove me wrong)


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posted 26 December 2005 04:40 PM      Profile for fern hill        Edit/Delete Post
For gawd's sake, people, don't you remember the vile crap that was posted about Olivia on the Dark Side during the last election? Among the hateful, racist, misogynist, you-name-it shit, was 'Chow-Chow' and 'Jack's comfort woman'. I think this asshole reads FD, thought it was funny and revived it in his own nasty way.
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posted 26 December 2005 05:32 PM      Profile for MasterDebator        Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by RealityBites:
Furthermore, considering some people sub-human is hardly unique to the Liberal Party. What the fuck do you think NDP "star" candidate Ed Schreyer meant when he called gay people an affliction?


Personally I am finding this rather tiresome. If you have an actual quote and source, fine, why not just produce it. But making these kind of slanted and biased claims is, I suggest to you, intentionally misleading.

You seem to have a major personal need for a list of people to hate, and Schreyer can be fitted onto that list just as easily as any other non-Liberal politician, so why not, eh? That's about the depth of your thinking and of your personal committment on this issue.

It's not something you're really serious about, it's just a play-pen thing, a gimmick, a cocktail party chattering point which is something every well trained sophisticate in either Toronto or Vancouver simply must have.

As you know I did, at Heph's direction, look at the Craig Oliver interview. And as you also well know, it completely and totally repudiates absolutely everything you're saying.

I think that you and Maxx are going to have to do some pretty hard-assed posting over the next four weeks because the Liberals are $35 million in debt and they're going to need all the help you two can give them. You might want to get some of that Lee Valley Tools balm that Shania Twain endorses because you're going to have some really sore fingers.

[ 26 December 2005: Message edited by: MasterDebator ]


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posted 26 December 2005 05:35 PM      Profile for MasterDebator        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by fern hill:
For gawd's sake, people, don't you remember the vile crap that was posted about Olivia on the Dark Side during the last election? Among the hateful, racist, misogynist, you-name-it shit, was 'Chow-Chow' and 'Jack's comfort woman'. I think this asshole reads FD, thought it was funny and revived it in his own nasty way.

What do you suppose the reaction would have been if a Tory staffer had done this. I would suggest to you that the outrage would be overwhelming and that Harper would have been faced with endless press scrum questions on it, and that those exchanges would be item number one on the nightly national TV news. But if a Liberal staffer heads down the dirt road, there's a bit of press play, but nothing really effective.


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posted 26 December 2005 05:42 PM      Profile for fern hill        Edit/Delete Post
MasterDebator, what is the point of quoting someone (most recently moi) and then not addressing that quotation? You simply repeat that the Liberals are (or seem to be, consider the timing of this) getting away with something the Cons wouldn't. You have anything to add here?
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posted 26 December 2005 05:45 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by retread:

As for comparing Bush and the chimp (besides prefering chimps to GWB), in honesty I'd have to say that for the most part its making fun of a physical defect - his face

I tend to disagree. Bush's face isn't that unusual. What makes him look like a chimp is the personality animating it. It's the way he holds his face, purses his lips, shifts expressions. If Alan Alda or Woody Allen, or even John Kerry, were wearing that face it would look totally different.
So it's kind of a comment on personality more than actual facial features. I think it's fair comment.


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posted 26 December 2005 06:22 PM      Profile for Vansterdam Kid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by nevermind:

Ah nothing like the tow the party line, paint the messenger to be a hypocrtic/racist and whatever else you can do to hide the issue...as Paul Wells has pointed out this is generally a trick by the Maritinites and perhaps the Layton's are just as good at it...

The man who made the comment was silly...I don't know if he was being, racist, sexist, nasty or trying(and failing) at being humorous or all of the above...his days as a power brokers in the Grits are done...and everyone from all parties sees him as a moron...

Difference is Sid is taking the endorsation of a man who thinks Tom Wappel is the perfect politico...

I am as left as anyone on this forum...but the hypocrisy of the left has always made me sick...it's not generally the working class left that are hypocrits...but rather the silver spoon ones, who have their own pet causes...


You know, it's really quite sanctimonious to go and preach about pet causes and how your annoyed with ideological purity, about people you don't even know btw, when you did that yourself.

Just so you know, the diffrences in this case are rather obvious and I'll simply explain them to you. Klander did the objectionable action himself. And those who are most effected, people of colour, have said he was being racist. Whereas Ryan wasn't being accused of being a homophobe by any G or L or B or T posters. He was by you, and no one else really agreed that he was worthy of witholding support from because of it. Ryan wasn't condemned by the old guilt by association thing which was what your entire argument was based on. Whereas Klander was condemed because the objectionable action was committed by himself. And while I don't think this is the most horrible thing ever, and *grrr* we must organize a protest, its clearly racist. Intentionally, or unintentionally I don’t know since I can't read his mind. I would assume someone in his position wouldn’t be so uninformed, but perhaps it was intentional judging by the rest of his blog.

As for your class comment, it's really qutie ridiculous considering your hysterical (as in both meanings) response considering your response in the other thread.


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posted 26 December 2005 06:31 PM      Profile for knuckles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by MasterDebator:
Personally I am finding this rather tiresome. If you have an actual quote and source, fine, why not just produce it. But making these kind of slanted and biased claims is, I suggest to you, intentionally misleading.

here's one:

"In my opinion, if allowed to become too visible in society, it cannot help but have a negative and detrimental effect on the younger generation," Mr. Schreyer said.


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posted 26 December 2005 06:49 PM      Profile for abnormal   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
posted by skadl:
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I personally have long crusaded against animal metaphors for the evildoers among us. To me, that is always unfair to the animals. No way I admire either Bush or Rice as much as I admire your average chimp.
emphasis added

Turning to the comparison that got everyone so upset that means ...

All joking aside, when I saw the title on the other thread "Olivia Chow is a Dog" my first thought was that someone was commenting on her appearance. When I first saw the actual comparison I thought it was sexist as hell, a not very clever pun on Olivia's name that was commenting on her appearance, not her race.


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posted 26 December 2005 07:02 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
CBC radio news just said Klander has apologised and resigned. It's not on the website yet that I can see.

Score another for the power of the Internet?


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posted 26 December 2005 07:08 PM      Profile for Vansterdam Kid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Well, at least he was smart enough to do it so close to Christmas.
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posted 26 December 2005 07:13 PM      Profile for BCastro     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
from the CP:

Liberal exec resigns after blog comment


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posted 26 December 2005 07:22 PM      Profile for sgm     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
From Wells' blog:
quote:
CP is quoting a long-suffering Liberal spokesman to the effect that Klander was "a volunteer" who had no official role in the current campaign. This rather understates the guy's significance. He delivered Tony Dionisio to the Martin camp in '02, and together, they delivered Ontario. When Sheila Copps got uppity, Klander was dispatched to take proper care of her in Hamilton in '04. I fondly recall the first place I ever saw the guy: in the union-hall basement where Paul Martin announced to a breathless world in 2002 that he wasn't sure he could work with Jean Chrétien any more. That whole event was a Klander/Dionisio special. But they were just volunteers, you understand.

Link.


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posted 26 December 2005 07:40 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Contrarian:
Score another for the power of the Internet?

This isn't so much a power of the internet story as a "someone made an ass of himself on the 'net far more quickly than he could have without it."


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posted 26 December 2005 08:05 PM      Profile for Contrarian     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Without the internet what would he do? Hand a few photoscopies to his friend to snicker at? We likely wouldn't hear about it. The CBC report described it as offensive comments about Jack Layton and Olivia Chow, but I knew exactly what they were talking about because I had seen it on the Internet.
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posted 26 December 2005 08:41 PM      Profile for MasterDebator        Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by fern hill:
MasterDebator, what is the point of quoting someone (most recently moi) and then not addressing that quotation? You simply repeat that the Liberals are (or seem to be, consider the timing of this) getting away with something the Cons wouldn't. You have anything to add here?

Well, ... er, ... I, uh, ... didn't mean to bother you. And have a Happy Holidays too!


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posted 26 December 2005 08:44 PM      Profile for Dr. Felonious Sloth     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Mike Klander has now resigned.

580 CFRA - News Talk Radio


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posted 26 December 2005 08:46 PM      Profile for MasterDebator        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by knuckles:

here's one:

"In my opinion, if allowed to become too visible in society, it cannot help but have a negative and detrimental effect on the younger generation," Mr. Schreyer said.



I don't have a Globe subscription but I take your word for it, since, unlike Maxx and RB I am not aware of your being a Liberal spokesperson.

The quote indicates a quite unenlightened attitude, but it was made 18 or 19 years ago, and says nothing about civil rights, only personal attitudes or morals. It's no different than someone who is personally opposed to abortion being pro-choice as a legislator.


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posted 26 December 2005 08:59 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by MasterDebator:

I don't have a Globe subscription but I take your word for it, since, unlike Maxx and RB I am not aware of your being a Liberal spokesperson.


Maxx makes no pretense at being anything other than a Liberal supporter. RB has specifically denied it, and described himself as an "independent". I have no cause to doubt him, and neither do you.

The quote indicates a quite unenlightened attitude, but it was made 18 or 19 years ago, and says nothing about civil rights, only personal attitudes or morals. It's no different than someone who is personally opposed to abortion being pro-choice as a legislator.

You just *can't* stop making excuses for this bigot, can you? Rather than derailing this thread, see my comments over here.

[ 26 December 2005: Message edited by: Hephaestion ]


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Since it was his reaction to the addition of protection for homosexuals to the human rights act, only someone like you, bound and determined to excuse him no matter what, could bring herself to pretend it had nothing to do with civil rights.

Moreover, while it was made 18 years ago, he's steadfastly refused to apologize and is furious that anyone even thinks he should.

quote:
since, unlike Maxx and RB I am not aware of your being a Liberal spokesperson.

Now on to your accusation of me being a Liberal spokesperson. Michelle has warned you not to do that again. I will ask her not to take any action though - provided you will give me your word that you will never, ever again reply to any one of my posts, never again send me a PM and never mention me in any of your posts. And I will give you my word that I will do the same for you.

You see, you pimple on the thong-covered ass of babble, I'm sick of you. I don't have to put up with your stalking and I'm not going to. So it's up to you. You leave me the fuck alone, or you can be an affliction on some other society than this one. Your presence cannot help but have a negative and detrimental effect.


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Liberal exec resigns after comparing NDP's Olivia Chow to a dog on his blog
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at 19:26 on December 26, 2005, EST.
By TARA BRAUTIGAM

TORONTO (CP) - A high-ranking official within the Liberal Party of Canada resigned Monday after he made disparaging comments on his blog about NDP Leader Jack Layton and his wife, NDP candidate Olivia Chow.

Mike Klander, executive vice-president of the federal Liberal party's Ontario wing, stepped down after photographs of Chow, the NDP candidate for the Toronto riding of Trinity-Spadina, and a chow chow dog were posted on his blog dated Dec. 9 under the heading "Separated at Birth."

The blog also contained an offensive reference to Layton.

"I'm going away for a couple of days so I thought I would find something smart and witty to put up on my blog before I left," the blog said, dated Nov. 23.

"Unfortunatley (sic) I couldn't think of anything so I just want to say that I think Jack Layton is an asshole . . . for no reason other than it makes me feel good to say it . . . and because he is."


The site also had a Top 10 list of things that would "piss me off" during the federal election campaign.

They included:

-"Being dragged out to a Liberal rally, lied to so I'm there 30 minutes early, and then forced to stand in a hot room that's way too small to give the appearance that everyone wants to be there."

-"Harper being flanked by the sexy Rona Ambrose at every opportunity."

-"Harper being flanked by the ethnic Rahim Jaffer at every opportunity."


The blog has since been taken offline.

Klander's blog was personal and did not reflect the view of the federal Liberals, said Stephen Heckbert, a spokesman for the Liberal campaign in Ontario.

"I think he recognized that there's some things that are outside the bounds of good taste," Heckbert said. "And I think then it came to a decision that it would be better for the party and for him if he were to step down."

Klander was a volunteer and did not play an official role for the Liberals during this campaign, Heckbert said, adding he's apologized to Chow.

"Obviously, this is something the Liberal Party of Canada doesn't condone. It's our view that partisan rhetoric has its limits."

But Ian Capstick, a spokesman for the NDP campaign, said the postings reflect Liberal mud-slinging.

"We were shocked, disappointed and offended," Capstick said from Ottawa. "This has become indicative of the way Liberals are seeing this election. They couldn't find basis for attack on Ms. Chow's community record, her activism, so they chose instead to focus on one thing."

Klander's resignation was a positive step, but he needs to make further amends, Capstick added.

"He needs to take a good long hard look at some of the postings he made on that website and realize the impact that they had on a variety of different communities."


Though Klander's comments were regretful, it's not uncommon for political blogs of all stripes to cross certain boundaries, Heckbert said.

"Partisan blogs get a little heated, particularly around election time," he said. "You'd see some language that might curl your hair."


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posted 26 December 2005 10:31 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
"Though Klander's comments were regretful, it's not uncommon for political blogs of all stripes to cross certain boundaries, Heckbert said."

Lame attempt at deflecting responsibility. Pony up some proof, you mealy-mouthed apologist.

Really, the Chow campaign and the NDP in general should take this as a heartening sign. The Liberals are scared of them.

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posted 26 December 2005 11:40 PM      Profile for MasterDebator        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:

Maxx makes no pretense at being anything other than a Liberal supporter. RB has specifically denied it, and described himself as an "independent". I have no cause to doubt him, and neither do you.

I have been instructed not to make any references that would constitute a specific reply to this.

However, if I feel like doubting someone, I will damn well doubt them.


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Fuck you, you psychotic stalker.
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Originally posted by RealityBites:
Fuck you, you psychotic stalker.

Happy Holidays to you!


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God bless us everyone.
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posted 27 December 2005 12:05 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Okay, RB, if you have a problem with someone, please write to me and I will deal with it.

MasterDebator, you get a time out for your relentless baiting of RB.


From: I've got a fever, and the only prescription is more cowbell. | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
Reality. Bites.
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posted 27 December 2005 12:06 AM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by HeywoodFloyd:
God bless us everyone.

Even Mike Klander?


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Michelle
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posted 27 December 2005 12:07 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Also, this thread is long enough.
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