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Bookish Agrarian
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posted 22 January 2005 04:47 PM      Profile for Bookish Agrarian   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I think it unlikley that Martin really will allow the plug to be pulled on this Parliment over equal marraige.
What do you think should we be getting things in place, or we still on moderately low standby? We all know it could fall anytime, but two days ago it seemed to be a remote chance for now. Is it still?
Could this actually be an opportunity for us to distinguish ourselves from the Liberals in ridings like London-Fanshawe that we missed by just a bit? The anti-progressive forces fight for the same vote leaving the moderate space open for the NDP? Or could we get lost in the yelling?

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the grey
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posted 22 January 2005 05:54 PM      Profile for the grey     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
We should be getting things ready, but not because of this. Martin won't call an election if the government's bill is defeated, because the only way the government's bill will be defeated is by Liberals voting against it. That, and he's already said it isn't a confidence motion.

Martin has said he would make a vote to invoke the notwithstanding clause a confidence motion. That enough should be sufficient to ensure that any such motion would be defeated by scaring enough anti-SSM Liberals into either not showing up or voting against invoking the notwithstanding clause.

As for preparations, we need to be ready to not be caught off our guard when an election does happen - whether that's this spring, or this fall, or next winter, or who knows when. That means fundraising, outreach, and contingency planning.


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Reality. Bites.
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posted 22 January 2005 06:02 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by andrewtgsadler:
Martin has said he would make a vote to invoke the notwithstanding clause a confidence motion.

That's also a false threat because the Conservatives refuse to admit that their desire to redefine marriage as heterosexual requires the use of the clause.

I imagine though it is possible that the Liberals, NDP and Bloc will amend the Conservative amendments to include the clause.


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the grey
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posted 22 January 2005 06:55 PM      Profile for the grey     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by RealityBites:

That's also a false threat because the Conservatives refuse to admit that their desire to redefine marriage as heterosexual requires the use of the clause.

Were you expecting him to be honest?


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Reality. Bites.
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posted 22 January 2005 07:00 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post
No, not at all.

However it would certainly be interesting to hear what question he was answering when he said he'd be willing to fight an election on the issue.


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Bookish Agrarian
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posted 23 January 2005 12:57 PM      Profile for Bookish Agrarian   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Guess Martin saw his shadow and is now putting all kinds of qualifiers on his challenge.
Still on alert, as we have been since election night, but the I hope signs can still stay in storage.

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posted 23 January 2005 01:11 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post
There was never a challenge that I could see. He was asked a question, he answered it, then it was blown up out of proportion. He certainly wasn't ever going to dissolve parliament and call an election while he still had the confidence of the house.
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posted 23 January 2005 05:15 PM      Profile for West Coast Lefty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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What do you think should we be getting things in place, or we still on moderately low standby? We all know it could fall anytime, but two days ago it seemed to be a remote chance for now. Is it still?

Here in BC, we're all on standby federally as the fixed provincial election date has driven almost all of our activists into the pre-election frenzy. In the past week alone, I went to the massive Victoria-Hillside nomination meeting on the 16th, the Victoria Beacon-Hill AGM on the 20th, and the Oak Bay-Gordon Head nomination on the 22nd. I've heard Carole speak so many times now I know her lines by heart But all this leaves little or no time/energy for federal NDP activities in BC.

Basically, between now and May 17, all we can realistically do federally in BC is prepare for the delegate selection/resolutions meeting for the July 2005 federal convention and try to work with the BC federal caucus on some media events as their schedule permits on hot issues such as missile defence. If there ever was a snap federal election call in the next few months, we would be totally screwed here in BC. Everybody is focused on getting rid of Gordo.


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