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Chris Becker
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posted 13 January 2005 01:34 AM      Profile for Chris Becker     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
How effective do you think a blog like this would be on the federal site. Babble is excellent for discussion and I think it would be great if the party could incorporate something like this into the federal website. Dean used it and it was one of the primary reasons for his success. Giving people a reason to constantly go to the site encourages interactivity, new ideas and will definately give the party a buzz and momentum [for being the first to really do this in Cda]

Does anyone agree and what is hold back the Central Campaigns from doing so? The only thing that I can think of is the fear of letting go of the central message. However, the Dean campaign managed to do this without getting off message or anything negative occuring online.


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Reality. Bites.
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posted 13 January 2005 01:50 AM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post
I don't know how the Dean campaign handled it, but message boards are very prone to trolling and flame wars.

Here on babble when NDPers post, it is clear they are speaking for themselves, not the party. On an NDP board the lines are more blurred.

Do you have any insight into how they handled it?


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Walker
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posted 13 January 2005 01:50 AM      Profile for Walker     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Am I missing something? Because it sounds very much like babble/rabble is an arm of the NDP, but I can't find anything in 'About Us' that says that.
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Wilf Day
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posted 13 January 2005 03:11 AM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Walker:
it sounds very much like babble/rabble is an arm of the NDP

rabble.ca is a public, progressive news and information source. As part of rabble, this message board (babble) was created to ensure that readers/participants could explore any issues of interest and concern. While all points of view are welcome here, progressives are much more welcome than others. Which, in Canada, means NDP supporters, most Greens (well, some Greens, anyway), the increasingly rare left-of-centre Liberals (well, they are still somewhat common in francophone Quebec, but we don't see them here), the very rare Red Tory, and miscellaneous independent socialists and progressives.

Who did I leave out?


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verbatim
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posted 13 January 2005 05:01 AM      Profile for verbatim   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
What about Canada Action Party members? Leftist Libertarians? Anarchists?
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vickyinottawa
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posted 13 January 2005 10:41 AM      Profile for vickyinottawa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
past experience with NDP e-lists is that they often degenerate into flame wars, and there have even been threats of lawsuits, etc etc, even with lists that are only semi-connected to the party. So I can imagine that folks at HQ are a bit hesitant about having a section of the website where they would have no control over the content, especially since anyone's idiotic comments could be interpreted as reflecting the party, even if they are trolling....

I am happy to have a forum that welcomes all progressives, where I can chat with New Democrats and others about the topics that interest me. Rabble does just fine, although it is unfortunate that it is perceived as an NDP-exclusive site.


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skdadl
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posted 13 January 2005 10:49 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
It would be interesting to hear from anyone who worked on, or even watched, the Dean campaign. I still have only the fuzziest notions of how they organized and communicated.
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posted 13 January 2005 12:05 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post
Telepathy. They really were that much more advanced over the other campaigns.
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Chris Becker
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posted 13 January 2005 12:16 PM      Profile for Chris Becker     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
If you want more info on the Dean campaign check out my major paper that I wrote for my MA at Brock. It is specifically on the Dean Campaign, its successes and failures and potential impact for the NDP and other progressive parties. I posted it on the web. Sorry for the design of the site, I am an amateur with the technical aspects of the web.

http://www.freewebs.com/chrisbecker/


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somersol
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posted 13 January 2005 12:28 PM      Profile for somersol   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Chris Becker:
Giving people a reason to constantly go to the site encourages interactivity, new ideas and will definately give the party a buzz and momentum [for being the first to really do this in Cda]

I agree that this sort of focused sharing and development has to happen. The Federal site might shy away - for reasons already given in this thread - though an unaffiliated (but partisan) site might work.
I'm trying to nuture a site I launched in December. So far the contributions have been good, although I'm relying solely on email and same-day upload. However, I have recently had an offer of technical help from a developer with Alberta's provincial party, so hopefully the real-time threaded debate can start soon!
The site is here, if anyone is interested:

ORANGECOMMONS_time for a new House


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Budd Campbell
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posted 13 January 2005 01:00 PM      Profile for Budd Campbell        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Wilfred Day:
Who did I leave out?


The late Dalton Camp and other surviving Red Tories. People like Roy McMurtry and John Fraser (on environmental issues at least).


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skdadl
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posted 13 January 2005 01:06 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Chris and somersol: Thanks very much. Both those links look most helpful, in different but allied ways.
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Chris Becker
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posted 13 January 2005 01:14 PM      Profile for Chris Becker     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
My personal opinion is that the NDP is missing out on an enormous opportunity the longer they wait to make their site interactive. It is what propelled Dean's campaign and there is no reason to believe that it can't be replicated in Canada. Joe Trippi stated that opening up the website went agaisnt everything he had been taught in politics, but it provided the support that propelled his campaign to the top. The NDP needs to put an interative blog on its website and do creative online fundraising BETWEEN elections, not launch it simply during the start of an election. The Dean campaign showed that those who deviate from traditional top-down centrally run websites can reap enormous benefits.
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vickyinottawa
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posted 13 January 2005 01:42 PM      Profile for vickyinottawa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
the NDP has done several online fundraising campaigns since the election. It may not be as apparent on the site, but if you subscribe to e.NDP you get the appeals
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Scott Piatkowski
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posted 13 January 2005 01:47 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by verbatim:
What about Canada Action Party members?

Yes, both Paul Hellyer and Connie Fogal are welcome to join.


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posted 13 January 2005 01:58 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post
Hellyer press release on CAP merger with rabble.ca to follow.
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Scott Piatkowski
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posted 13 January 2005 02:17 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by vickyinottawa:
the NDP has done several online fundraising campaigns since the election. It may not be as apparent on the site, but if you subscribe to e.NDP you get the appeals

But, you are able to opt out of receiving the appeals and still get e.NDP. Of course, I wouldn't want to encourage anyone to do that, because we do need the money

I've actually been very impressed with the party's fundraising of late, particularly what they've done online. For example, fifteen minutes after Harper was elected Reformatory leader, they had sent out an e-mail appeal asking for money to take him on.


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Chris Becker
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posted 13 January 2005 02:41 PM      Profile for Chris Becker     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The e-mails are a good idea, but here are some other ones that could work.

- Online fundraising bat on the site (like Dean for America) that would allow the message to get to everyone, not just those on the e-mail list.
- An organized event. Perhaps Jack skating on the rideau or something where people got to pick what beavertail he at for 5 bucks a vote
- Items for sale on the site. Most importantly, stuff with the Bush/Martin 04 Logo.

That is all that i can think of right now. Don't shoot me for the lame Jack on the rideau one, only thing I could think of while I take a break from legal research.


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No Yards
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posted 13 January 2005 03:44 PM      Profile for No Yards   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Take a page from (of all places) the old Reform party site, and post all documents, policies, press releases, reports, etc on the web site so everyone can access any kind of NDP information except for the most sensitive.

As a party, the NDP should be able to afford to purchase many of the reports that are only available to us mere citizens at a cost ... summarizing these reports for the membership for use in developing opinions on polices, or to debunk the policies of the right wing parties would be useful.

Letters to the editor writing campaign suggestions and talking points suggestions?


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Jack of spades
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posted 14 January 2005 01:13 AM      Profile for Jack of spades     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
chris becker wrote:

quote:
If you want more info on the Dean campaign check out my major paper that I wrote for my MA at Brock. It is specifically on the Dean Campaign, its successes and failures and potential impact for the NDP and other progressive parties. I posted it on the web. Sorry for the design of the site, I am an amateur with the technical aspects of the web.

http://www.freewebs.com/chrisbecker/[/QUOTE]

If you go to the paper, select all, copy it and then paste it into Word, ( I have Word 2004 for the Mac) it will be in a much easier format for reading. ( Not so wide) It is 114 pages.


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Budd Campbell
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posted 14 January 2005 03:44 AM      Profile for Budd Campbell        Edit/Delete Post
To a degree this thread covers some of the same ground as another recent topic, though I cannot recall the exact title. Something along the lines of "Why does the party have such a crumby website".

From what I can see the most remarkable part of the party's website problems, both the national site and our provincial site here in BC, is that they have gone downhill in recent years. Two year ago, they were better looking and contained more stuff. So what happened?

There is an article today in The Hill Times concerning bargaining between the NDP and its employees, and I cannot help but wonder if there isn't some relationship here. If the party has not been able or willing to meet the pay offers of alternative employers, we may have been losing web savy talent.

I have belonged for about three years or so to the NDProgress list serve. It has gone almost completely dorman in the last several months. During the election about the only time it came to life was when one of the Toronto Liberal types sent out the kind of message that was flooding Babble at the time, telling everyone they had to vote Liberal or be damned if the Tories won or gained ground. The thing that pissed me off the most about that episode was the fact that no one really objected to this message coming just a day or two prior to the vote.


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Budd Campbell
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posted 14 January 2005 03:46 AM      Profile for Budd Campbell        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by No Yards:
Take a page from (of all places) the old Reform party site, and post all documents, policies, press releases, reports, etc on the web site so everyone can access any kind of NDP information except for the most sensitive.

Good point. Glad you mentioned it.


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vickyinottawa
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posted 14 January 2005 10:12 AM      Profile for vickyinottawa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The Hill Times report is likely on bargaining between the NDP Caucus and the Hill Staff, who are a unit of CEP. The website is a party initiative - different office, different bargaining unit, different employer, etc etc.

As I understand it, there is a new site in development. It's not that the party doesn't recognize the site needs to change - it just takes time to do that. Especially when you have to make sure that content on the current site is fresh, etc.


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Budd Campbell
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posted 14 January 2005 11:52 AM      Profile for Budd Campbell        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by vickyinottawa:
The Hill Times report is likely on bargaining between the NDP Caucus and the Hill Staff, who are a unit of CEP. The website is a party initiative - different office, different bargaining unit, different employer, etc etc.

As I understand it, there is a new site in development.



You're right, the Times report related to the Caucus staff.

However, I still want to know how both the Federal and BC sites have managed to be reduced and dumbed down in the last few years. Why are we marching backwards in cyberspace?


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Chris Becker
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posted 14 January 2005 01:23 PM      Profile for Chris Becker     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
If the party is developing a new site, I cannot stress enough how important it is for it to allow people to interact with the campaign. If the basis is on a nice looking website simply designed to rely policy and talking points, the NDP will miss out on a huge opportunity. If it mimicks the successful formula from the Dean campaign and allows its supporters to participate online, the sky is the limit for it. There will also be an enormous media buzz once this generates more momentum and increased fundraising. The basis that I will judge it is whether or not it includes a blog and if it does, how open it is. One needs to look only at the example of the Dean campaign to see that there are solutions to problems posed by open discussion on a a party website.
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