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Diane Demorney
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posted 20 January 2006 03:16 PM      Profile for Diane Demorney   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My nephew is staying with me for a while. He has nothing that indicates an address, however he does have ID (treaty card, birth certificate). Can he vote in my riding with me vouching for him?
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Diane Demorney
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posted 20 January 2006 04:01 PM      Profile for Diane Demorney   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
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posted 20 January 2006 04:13 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I didn't want to answer, because I can't speak from authority, but I wouldn't think your vouching for him would qualify him to vote there.

Your best bet is to contact the returning officer, so you can check if he qualifies to vote in your riding.


Location: Elections Canada
Address: 4230 Quesnay Wood Drive South-West
Calgary, Alberta
T3E 7K6

Hours of operation
Monday to Friday: 9:00 a.m. – 9:00 p.m.
Saturday: 9:00 a.m. – 6:00 p.m.
Sunday: 12:00 p.m. – 4:00 p.m.

Name of returning officer:
Ann Boiteau

Toll-free phone number:
1 866 432-0953


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Diane Demorney
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posted 20 January 2006 04:22 PM      Profile for Diane Demorney   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks RB. I just called them. Unless he has something with an address on it, he can't vote. Oh well.
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posted 20 January 2006 04:41 PM      Profile for S1m0n        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Canadian Socialist:
Thanks RB. I just called them. Unless he has something with an address on it, he can't vote. Oh well.

I don't think that's correct. Homeless people can can vote.

Check again.

That answer doesn't accord with the training I recieved as a poll clerk last federal election, either.


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posted 20 January 2006 05:06 PM      Profile for Reality. Bites.        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
But he's not homeless, he's just visiting.
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swirrlygrrl
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posted 20 January 2006 05:15 PM      Profile for swirrlygrrl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Does he have a permanent residence that he's visiting you from, or is he temporarily without a permanent address (which would make your address as close to permanent as he has)?

If he's just away, he doesn't qualify to vote, since voting away from district ended on the 17th.

If its the latter, you and he should be able to swear an oath on the day of that he lives in the riding. (As I understand, if you can prove that you live in the poll, and you are willing to swear that he is who he says he is, and he lives there, then he can vote).

There's something supposedly from Luc Charbonneau at Elections Canada (his number is listed as 1-800-463-6868) from April 2002 on the web - sorry, linking is not working well for me right now:

quote:
Sections 8 and 9 of the Canada Elections Act provide the basis for determining an elector’s place of residence and, therefore, the polling division to which the elector’s vote will be attributed.

When a person has no permanent residence, the person’s temporary quarters at registration time are deemed to be the place where the person is ordinarily resident

Homeless electors may also register at the polls, subject to the usual requirements for satisfactory proof of identity and residence. Note, a homeless elector may also be vouched for, on oath, by another elector who is already on the list for the same polling division

The Chief Electoral Officer has previously defined satisfactory proof of identity and address as:

One piece of identification with the name, current address and signature of the elector;
Or
Two pieces of identification:
 One with the name and current address of the elector; and
 A second piece with the name and signature of the elector;
Or
A declaration confirming the name, address and signature of the elector, sworn under oath before a provincial officer authorized to accept oaths.


You can find the word document by googling "voting + Canada + homeless + oath" (its the first hit).

While your nephew may not be technically homeless, some of this will apply (not the ID aspect - he won't need a shelter list). A key fact will be if there is a provincial officer authorized to accept oaths at the polling station - that might be the kicker. You should probably phone and check, and if needed, TELL them the rules, and that they need to provide someone to take that oath, or face some angry, disenfranchised citizens.

**edited to add this, and fix the linking issue**

Actually, I'm not sure if the responsibility is on the govt to provide the person to swear the oath to, or if you need to deal with that in advance. But the simple "you can't vote without ID" is WRONG and potentially just laziness or misinformation.

OH! OH! Also, see the FAQ section on Election's Canada's site: here!

The: "Can a person who is homeless vote" is what you need.

[ 20 January 2006: Message edited by: swirrlygrrl ]


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Diane Demorney
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posted 20 January 2006 05:16 PM      Profile for Diane Demorney   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks again! I went to the Elections Canada website, and it says this:
quote:
Can a person who is homeless vote?

Yes, an elector who is homeless or without a fixed address can vote, if he or she registers on the voters list during an election. To register, the elector must provide proof of identity and the address where he or she is staying.

Proof of identity can be an official document bearing the elector’s name and signature. For residence, the address of a local shelter is acceptable, if the shelter has provided food, lodging or other social services to the elector. Without such proof, a person who is homeless can register on election day by taking the prescribed oath as to identity and residence, as long as another voter who is registered in the same electoral district can vouch for that person.



Then I called the returning officer again. And they confirmed this was correct. I just have to go with him and vouch for him. I mentioned how the first person said he couldn't vote, and the second person was amazed that I was told that. Anyway, another vote for Brian Pincott! (I've been brainwashing the boy ::::heee::: .

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posted 20 January 2006 05:50 PM      Profile for sidra   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
He can vote, provided the person sheltering him vouches for his age, residence and citizenship.

I personally (more accurately professionally) vouched for about 250 homeless/temporarily sheltered people, through a statement and an attached list given to Election Canada officials.


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Diane Demorney
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posted 20 January 2006 06:42 PM      Profile for Diane Demorney   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by RealityBites:
But he's not homeless, he's just visiting.
He isn't just visiting, RB. He's "between residences", so to speak. So, yeah, without me, he'd be homeless. Aren't I the BEST aunt?

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