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ohara
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posted 19 June 2008 04:57 PM      Profile for ohara        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Another false tale perpetrated by American news jerks ...

Alleged Hezbollah attck on Canada: American BS


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SLd
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posted 20 June 2008 05:39 AM      Profile for SLd        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080619.whezbollah20/BNStory/Front/home
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kropotkin1951
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posted 20 June 2008 09:47 AM      Profile for kropotkin1951   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Be afraid be very afraid.

Don't worry Haliburton is here to save the day, hip hip hooray.


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posted 20 June 2008 09:48 PM      Profile for aka Mycroft     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No worries. Frank Dimant will save us all!

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Terrorists in Canada.... Vigilance Order of the Day... Dimant to review situation directly with Federal Minister of Public Safety... National Hotline For Jewish Community available

Following the release of media reports regarding imminent threats of Hezbollah terrorist attacks against Jewish targets, B'nai Brith Canada, as the frontline Jewish defense organization in this country offering grassroot support to the community, immediately held major debriefings with Canadian national and local security personnel, Israeli
sources and Canadian security experts.

While officials agree that there is no specific threat at present, B'nai Brith Canada has warned that it is crucial that continued vigilance be maintained given the established presence of Hezbollah in our midst. In a community alert, which the organization releases when the circumstances demand, institutions across the Jewish community were reminded that given the ongoing nature of the threat of terrorist attacks here in Canada, it was essential that security protocols be reviewed and that vigilance be maintained as a top priority. Equally imperative was the need to inform members of the Jewish community of the ongoing need to be "aware and prepared" and the availability of community resources including the 24 hour/7 day a week hotline run by B'nai Brith Canada where suspicious behaviour should be reported promptly (1-800-892-2624).

B'nai Brith continues to meet with federal and provincial politicians and law enforcement officials to ensure the highest priority for the community's needs. Frank Dimant, Executive Vice-President of B'nai Brith Canada and recent appointee to the Federal Government's cross-cultural round table on security, will raise Jewish community security concerns this weekend with the Honourable Stockwell Day, Minster of Public Safety as a top priority.


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posted 20 June 2008 09:50 PM      Profile for aka Mycroft     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:

24 hour/7 day a week hotline run by B'nai Brith Canada where suspicious behaviour should be reported promptly


Hello Frank? For some time now I've been really pissed off with Mr Medina, who lives a couple of doors down the street. Well, him and Mr Ahmed, who runs the falafel shop. They both give me queer looks, and I'm sure Mr Medina is planning something nasty for me, but so far I haven't been able to discover what. I've been round to his place a few times to see what he's up to, but he's got everything well hidden. That's how devious he is.

(with apologies to Terry Jones)

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posted 21 June 2008 04:57 AM      Profile for clandestiny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Does anyone think this nonsense works? It is so blatantly obvious, even given any truth about the basic story, that the main purpose of the news report is to create an impression. Is the impression itself intended to do nothing more then fortify earlier impressions, and stimulate mankind on a quiet news day; some media are looking hard at the harperite scheme to commit hundred trillion loonies to our fighting men, and we can't have that. Or that jailbreak in Kandahar! Or harper sleeping with bernier on his mind!
We need a free press, that's for sure

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posted 21 June 2008 05:05 AM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
aka Mycroft:

But watch out - Frank and Stockwell have ways of figuring out what neighbourhood you live in.


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ohara
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posted 21 June 2008 07:04 AM      Profile for ohara        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Quite a difference between Bnai Brith's handling of this "threat" and CJC

CP


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posted 21 June 2008 08:59 AM      Profile for contrarianna     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by clandestiny:
[QB]Does anyone think this nonsense works? It is so blatantly obvious, even given any truth about the basic story, that the main purpose of the news report is to create an impression. Is the impression itself intended to do nothing more then fortify earlier impressions..../QB]

You have mostly answered your own question.

Creating an climate of fear and uncertainty, even if the facts are dubious and dismissed at a later date, are effective in making "defensive" aggression acceptable to the general public. In the world of stocks such rumours are generically known as FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt) and can result in a sell-off massacre.
In the political world it is a standard operating procedure. Your relating the rumour to justification for massive Canadian military is worthy of consideration.

But my own speculation is that this stimulated fear of Hezbollah is designed to lessen the anti-Israeli backlash for a forthcoming unprovoked attack on Iran. A generalized fear of dangerous Muslims is all that is really required, but Hezbollah's connections with Iran is a propaganda bonus:

There has been a lot of discussion (and stock market response) around the meaning of this story:

New York Times
"Published on Friday, June 20, 2008 by The New York Times
US Says Exercise by Israel Seemed Directed at Iran
By Michael R. Gordon and Eric Schmitt

WASHINGTON - Israel carried out a major military exercise earlier this month that American officials say appeared to be a rehearsal for a potential bombing attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities.

Several American officials said the Israeli exercise appeared to be an effort to develop the military’s capacity to carry out long-range strikes and to demonstrate the seriousness with which Israel views Iran’s nuclear program.

More than 100 Israeli F-16 and F-15 fighters participated in the maneuvers, which were carried out over the eastern Mediterranean and over Greece during the first week of June, American officials said.
...
Much of the planning appears to reflect a commitment by Israel’s military leaders to ensure that its armed forces are adequately equipped and trained, an imperative driven home by the difficulties the Israeli military encountered in its Lebanon operation against Hezbollah.

“They rehearse it, rehearse it and rehearse it, so if they actually have to do it, they’re ready,” the Pentagon official said. “They’re not taking any options off the table.”"


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seems to me that the so-called threat was put rather well to bed by mr. farber.
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quote:
Originally posted by Jaku:
seems to me that the so-called threat was put rather well to bed by mr. farber.

While allowing for the obvious disinformation, mr farber hardly is claiming the "threat" is non-existant:

"Farber also said, however, it is always better to be on the safe side "so we will ensure that our community institutions are alerted."

"They should keep an eye out, obviously. They should ramp up their security a bit just in case ..."
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posted 22 June 2008 04:03 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Does anyone think this nonsense works?

A quick read of the comments section of the CBC site says, "Yes."

A few posters there seem to have a clue about Hezb'allah, while most of the comments are along the lines of "These bloodthirsty fanatics are a-comin' to git us. Let's nuke 'em now."

I guess I've been wrong about CBC's audience; they aren't any more thoughtful or informed than those who patronise corporate media.


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posted 22 June 2008 04:19 PM      Profile for laine lowe     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by al-Qa'bong:

A quick read of the comments section of the CBC site says, "Yes."

A few posters there seem to have a clue about Hezb'allah, while most of the comments are along the lines of "These bloodthirsty fanatics are a-comin' to git us. Let's nuke 'em now."

I guess I've been wrong about CBC's audience; they aren't any more thoughtful or informed than those who patronise corporate media.


I think it is more reflective of the Canadian right wing internet players borrowing from their ideological cousins down south. Anytime a hot button issue comes up (terrorism, immigration, abortion, etc), our Canadian "freepers" show up in large numbers to the CBC site to flood the comments section with their opinion.


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From Hezbollah's perspective, I suppose Canada would be a low-risk target for an attack because Canada couldn't do anything about it.
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munroe
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I assume Sven that you are expressing concern that Harper's half a trillion military investment is inadequate. Double it and maybe we could buy enough long range bombers to level Beruit. We could always claim they had WDMs.

That'd teach 'em and save Israel from doing it again.


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posted 23 June 2008 03:16 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
From Hezbollah's perspective, I suppose Canada would be a low-risk target for an attack because Canada couldn't do anything about it.

Looks as if we don't have to go all the way to the CBC boards to find the attitude I mentioned above.

What possible reason, Sven, would Hizb'Allah have for attacking Canada? Throughout their history they've attacked nothing but Israeli military targets (except on occasion when they've acted in response to IOF attacks on civilians) in occupied Arab land.


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quote:
Originally posted by Sven:
From Hezbollah's perspective, I suppose Canada would be a low-risk target for an attack because Canada couldn't do anything about it.

And like Americans have become complacent since 9-11, I think Canadians too would be caught off guard. Herr Rummy said the "The correction for that...is an attack"


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quote:
Originally posted by al-Qa'bong:
What possible reason, Sven, would Hizb'Allah have for attacking Canada? Throughout their history they've attacked nothing but Israeli military targets (except on occasion when they've acted in response to IOF attacks on civilians) in occupied Arab land.

I don't think that they have any particular reason to attack Canada. I'm merely observing that if Canada was attacked (from whatever entity, terrorist or otherwise), Canada could do little about it.


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quote:
Originally posted by Sven:
I don't think that they have any particular reason to attack Canada. I'm merely observing that if Canada was attacked (from whatever entity, terrorist or otherwise), Canada could do little about it.

Sven, I hope I didn't fuck up, but when Hezbollah approached me for a risk management interview, I think I inadvertently gave them your address, because of your well known Gandhian tendencies. Sorry in advance.


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quote:
Originally posted by Sven:

I don't think that they have any particular reason to attack Canada. I'm merely observing that if Canada was attacked (from whatever entity, terrorist or otherwise), Canada could do little about it.


Yes, apparently having an intel agency with a larger annual budget than many countries' annual GDP's, multinational intelligence warnings, and thousands of agents stationed in every major city around the world, NORAD etc, aren't enough to prevent a major terrorist attack. What will it take and at what cost to taxpayers? Do the Hustle!


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posted 23 June 2008 04:24 PM      Profile for kropotkin1951   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sven:

I don't think that they have any particular reason to attack Canada. I'm merely observing that if Canada was attacked (from whatever entity, terrorist or otherwise), Canada could do little about it.


Seems to me like spending half a trillion is a little obsessive to be able to fight back against non-state attackers.

And NO state is going to attack Canada while we are allies with the military power to the south. And we can't spend enough to match America's arsenal and they after all are the nation with Manifest Destiny. That level of spending is simply our contribution to the Empire's standing army.


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They might as well suggest that their ongoing Gladios "for democracy's sake" around the world will continue unabated. And if we are attacked by people they know intimately through deep state terror operations abroad, then that's a win-win situation, too, for national security state expansion and revoking civil rights at home, and maybe even Canada if they can help it. Harper's not saying a word just doling out the protection money, some of which will be for contracts to benefit Pentagon capitalism.

usury + mafia = "free market economy"


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quote:
Originally posted by al-Qa'bong:

Looks as if we don't have to go all the way to the CBC boards to find the attitude I mentioned above.

What possible reason, Sven, would Hizb'Allah have for attacking Canada? Throughout their history they've attacked nothing but Israeli military targets (except on occasion when they've acted in response to IOF attacks on civilians) in occupied Arab land.


The jewish community centre in Buenos Aires is now a military target?

AMIA bombing


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quote:
Originally posted by ohara:
The jewish community centre in Buenos Aires is now a military target?

Is innocence until guilt is proven another one of those concepts that has become quaint?


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quote:
Originally posted by ohara:
The jewish community centre in Buenos Aires is now a military target?

Our people suffered from blood libels. The way to oppose them is not to concoct a few of your own. Slanders like yours are an easy excuse not to recognize reality and sit down and negotiate with people who actually represent the aspirations of their constituents and are key to advancing the peace process in the Middle East. You show grow some sense of shame, actually.


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