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N.Beltov
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posted 25 September 2007 02:47 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hip Hip Hooray!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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posted 25 September 2007 04:20 PM      Profile for Politics101   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes it is good news - in college I was once banned from class for a couple of days because I dared to challenged my loyal orange protestant professor on Riel's role in shaping of Canada.
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posted 25 September 2007 04:23 PM      Profile for Le Téléspectateur     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Yes it is good news - in college I was once banned from class for a couple of days because I dared to challenged my loyal orange protestant professor on Riel's role in shaping of Canada.

What college did you go to? and what union represented you?

That is a pretty inexcusable action on the part of the prof. I hope you filed a complainted against h-er/im and got your student union involved.


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File a complaint? Ha!

I made the mistake of correcting a professor about some aboriginal history. He made a few borderline racists statements to the class, the class laughed and I went from an A student to a B and never went up again. I even switched papers with a B student and guess what...she got an A for my paper.

YOu know what? There are so many battles to fight and we can't fight them all. I could have gone after that professor but there were other things I was fighting at the time which were much more important. Plus I was just damn tired.

Anyway excellent news about Louis Riel Day. My family has some history with Louis Riel! As do many FN living in the area. Cheers, I'm going to crack open a bottle of red and toast the occasion, please join me!


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Le Téléspectateur
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posted 25 September 2007 05:07 PM      Profile for Le Téléspectateur     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
File a complaint? Ha!

Yeah, I know. But it in this case 101 got booted from the class for a few days and that might be something that would look good on paper as an official letter or complaint - for use later.


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I wasn't trying to be rude to him. The comment just sparked a memory. Sorry about that kiddo, no hard feelings eh?!
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The incident happened about 40 years ago and in those days the Student union was too busy leading Vietnam War protests to worry about a student disagreeing with a professor and Riel was still considered an outcast and hadn't gained the respect that he has today.
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posted 26 September 2007 12:24 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was watching a vintage "Front Page Challenge", and the guest that was on fought against Riel in the Rebellion.

Pierre Burton asked him what he thought about the changing attitudes towards Riel. The guest was very strident in remarking that Riel was "a murderer."

I think the show was taped in the 50's.

I'm not even sure that the Riel Rebellion was even a rebellion. Wasn't Manitoba in a kind of political limbo at the time?

Maybe it should be called the Macdonald Invasion?


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posted 26 September 2007 12:47 PM      Profile for kropotkin1951   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Two different events involved. He got hung for the 1885 Saskachewan Rebellion not for being a Metis leader and head of a provisional government in Manitoba.

I would like to see Gabriel Dumount properly honoured. If they had only left him in charge of the Metis forces the outcome might have been different.


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posted 26 September 2007 12:55 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sadly, I doubt it. The more successful Dumont was, the more vicious would have been the response. I would think that the army would have gathered up all the Metis women and children, and let them die of malnutrition and disease in camps.

Oh, and thanks for the clarification. I should be embarrassed not to know that.

[ 26 September 2007: Message edited by: Tommy_Paine ]


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posted 26 September 2007 01:09 PM      Profile for kropotkin1951   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Instead they gave them script and let them starve after the Indian Agents and their friends stole it from them.

Our Not So Stellar Heritage

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As the land scrip was provided to the Métis, land speculators were prepared to buy the scrip for a fraction of its real value. Many of the Métis were illiterate and did not know the real value of the scrip they had been provided. These speculators included the Imperial Bank of Canada, the Bank of Montreal, the Bank of Nova Scotia, some private banks, and individuals.


There were a number of Métis that prospered in the years after Treaty 8, but the large majority suffered poverty and poor health with little access to education as they had no Aboriginal title that would have given them some access to services.


Hard to say what would have happened if the Canadian Expedition had been defeated. History tells us the Metis got a raw deal from losing including malnutrition and disease.

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posted 26 September 2007 01:46 PM      Profile for Tommy_Paine     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
When we play "what if", there is no accounting for random events, which certainly would have erupted.

But for fun, I think if the expeditionary force was defeated, there would have been no problem getting thrice the number of original volunteers-- from Orange Ontario. How that would have been received in Quebec is anyone's guess. Mine is that Macdonald would have had two rebellions to deal with. Could Dumont have played that possibility to come up with a political solution favourable to Metis? Hard to say. My gut is that Macdonald would have preferred rebellion to the possibility to losing face -- and potential profits for his developer members of the Family Compact.


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jas
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posted 26 September 2007 10:35 PM      Profile for jas     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yes, definitely better than "Family Day", which almost made me wish the bill wouldn't pass.

But what happened to:

Burton Cummings Day
Bleak Mid-winter Holiday Day
"Friendly Manitoba" vs. "Spirited Energy" Day

or, my submission:
"Where am I going to Go in February" Day?

[ 14 February 2008: Message edited by: jas ]


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posted 14 February 2008 10:41 AM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here's a bump because Monday is Louis Riel Day in Manitoba.
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posted 14 February 2008 10:44 AM      Profile for RosaL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by N.Beltov:
Here's a bump because Monday is Louis Riel Day in Manitoba.

Good choice. We're afflicted with "family day" here. So, no holiday for me, I guess....


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N.Beltov
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posted 18 February 2008 11:21 AM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The founder of Manitoba finally gets his due.
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posted 18 February 2008 01:47 PM      Profile for Catchfire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I f'n love that crazy, Christian Fundamentalist Metis!

In Grade 7, I did a slide show presentation for my history project entitled "Louis Riel: Traitor or Hero?" (No PowerPoint, kids--real photography!) I still pride myself on coming to the correct conclusion. Probably because I've not accomplished much since, but that's another story...

Anyway, best ever biography of Louis Riel is by Chester Brown.

John A. MacDonald, 1885: 'Riel will hang though every dog in Quebec bark in his favour.'

I know who I'd rsther have on my money.


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posted 18 February 2008 04:35 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Take another day off tomorrow
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posted 18 February 2008 05:00 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Catchfire:

Anyway, best ever biography of Louis Riel is by Chester Brown.

That is so true. I give this book as a present (birthdays etc.). It is marvellous.


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posted 18 February 2008 06:24 PM      Profile for unionist     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm so mad. Who the hell does Jack Layton think he is, calling for "Family Day" to be a national holiday? Either make "Louis Riel Day" national, or f*** off, to put it discreetly.

I've started a thread to promote Louis Riel Day as a national holiday.

What next? Puppies and heterosexuals' day?


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posted 18 February 2008 06:37 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Manitoba Liberal MLA Kevin Lamoureux was quoted by CBC Radio today lobbying to have Louis Riel Day changed to Family Day. So Layton isn't the only Joker in the deck. Gah.

As an aside ... apparently the CBC would rather give a voice to critics of Louis Riel Day than actually bother to explain to its listeners why Louis Riel Day was established, why it "might" be a good idea, and so on. And all this ON LOUIS RIEL DAY. Thanks, CBC, and f*ck you too.


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posted 18 February 2008 06:40 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How about we designate it as a Stat Holiday and let people decide what the day means to them? I'm all for doing that with the other Stat Holidays as well.
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quote:
Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:
How about we designate it as a Stat Holiday and let people decide what the day means to them? I'm all for doing that with the other Stat Holidays as well.

That would be far better than what that opportunist salesman Layton has done. How fucking dare he undermine Louis Riel Day? It's bad enough that Calvert proclaimed Family Day before going to his richly-deserved perdition.

This is utterly disgusting.

ETA: By the way, Scott, you're in that party of his. Did he consult you, or anyone, before coming up with this crap?

This is the same man who whipped his caucus to support the draconian "family values" neo-con Bill C-2, now wanting to celebrate "families" for fuck's sake. Is everyone just scared of saying "boo" to him? Are there no leaders of value to be had?

[ 18 February 2008: Message edited by: unionist ]


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posted 18 February 2008 06:46 PM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Somehow, if the holiday had anything to do with a famous white guy, I don't think we'd be having this conversation.

I'm particularly disgusted by the CBC. Layton and Lamoureux have political constituencies that they're playing to, and their statements, while annoying as hell, are "understandable". However, you'd think they'd have the decency to wait, say, ONE DAY before trying to strangle Riel Day in its cradle?

Apparently not.

[ 18 February 2008: Message edited by: N.Beltov ]


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posted 18 February 2008 07:01 PM      Profile for Scott Piatkowski   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, at least you didn't call it an atrocity this time, unionist.

I'd suggest that his motive was not to undermine Louis Riel Day, but to create some equality for workers across Canada and within provinces. I don't really care what the day is called (hell, I gladly take Victoria Day off, and I'm for abolition of the monarchy; I'm an athiest, but I take Christian-inspired holidays).


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quote:
Originally posted by Scott Piatkowski:
Well, at least you didn't call it an atrocity this time, unionist.

I call it the way I see it. When Layton does the right thing - which he has managed to do on several key issues after the disaster of the 2005-6 election campaign - I praise him and encourage him to carry on. When he steps into shit - like Bill C-2 or this Family Day atrocity - I tend to speak very openly.

You didn't answer my question. Did you approve this? Or don't you count in the scheme of things? Who the hell does?


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OK, it's useful to point out that any new holiday is a good holiday. Especially if it's a day off with pay. For many people, who don't have a portrait of Queen Victoria in their living room, that's the main thing.

But is it really necessary for these two, and likely other, politicians to be taking pot shots at a holiday - the first one, as far as I know, in this country to be associated with a FN, Inuit or Metis leader - on this very day? [ETA: Layton didn't actually attack Riel Day, he just advocated for a Canada-wide "Family" Day and remained mum about what the holiday would be called in Manitoba.]And what business does the local CBC have giving these jokers a soapbox today anyway?

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Sorry, I've got to promote my Facebook group here as well, as we have two threads going:

Make "Louis Riel Day" a national holiday!

Please consider joining and supporting this group.


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posted 18 February 2008 07:53 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by unionist:

It's bad enough that Calvert proclaimed Family Day before going to his richly-deserved perdition.

This is utterly disgusting


Where were you in 1990 when Don Getty declared February 18th "Family Day" in Wild Rose County?

And why were you not incensed when Dalton McGuilty's phony-baloney Liberal government declared February 18th "Family Day" as the first of 50-some odd election promises they've actually managed to follow through on?

Is this about Jack Layton or NDP MP Pat Martin's bill, bill C-258 to reverse the conviction of Louis Riel?


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quote:
Originally posted by Fidel:

Is this about Jack Layton or NDP MP Pat Martin's bill, bill C-258 to reverse the conviction of Louis Riel?

The Manitoba NDP government deserves high praise for enacting Louis Riel Day. Jack Layton should have either supported this enthusiastically and called for it to be emulated across Canada - or kept his mouth shut.

I like to give praise where praise is due. Not where it's expected.


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quote:
Originally posted by unionist:
Jack Layton should have either supported this enthusiastically and called for it to be emulated across Canada - or kept his mouth shut.

quote:
OTTAWA[/b] – Today, NDP Leader Jack Layton called on Prime Minister Stephen Harper to issue a Family Day holiday to all Canadians.

“Today, hardworking Canadians are working more hours to make ends meets and they deserve a break,” said Layton. “Family Day is a great opportunity for everyday families to come together and reconnect with their loved ones.”

Currently, only Alberta, Saskatchewan, and most recently, Ontario celebrate Family Day. Manitoba already observes Louis Riel Day which falls on the same date as Family Day – the third Monday of February.

At a press conference today, Layton outlined that 40 percent of Ontarians will be expected to work on February 18 – Family Day.

“A day off in the middle of winter is good for everyone – it’s good for the spirit and encourages productivity,” said Layton. “I’m calling on Harper’s government to step up and give Canadians a break.”


He's basically calling on Harper to declare a national holiday on February 18th, or the third Monday in February.

I think ultimately it's up to parliament to declare a a national holiday, at which point they would then decide on what holiday name it would be given. But this all seems to coincide with the NDP pushing and prodding the two inanimate, rancid and out of new ideas old line parties to reverse Louis Riel's federal conviction

Because some politicians in the NDP think it would actually be a good idea to decriminalize Louis Riel's name in this country at the same time Manitobans pay tribute to him with a provincial holiday. Cart-horse? We know the two rancid old line parties are tripping over one another to appease herr Bushler in Iraq and now Afghanistan, but first things should first, and our stoogeocrats in Ottawa do take some prodding before making executive decisions as history reveals.


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posted 23 February 2008 04:38 PM      Profile for Wilf Day     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by unionist:
Make "Louis Riel Day" a national holiday!

Please consider joining and supporting this group.



Done.

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Thank you, Wilf. Now all I need is someone with motivation and time to take over this group and achieve its goal!
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quote:
Originally posted by unionist:
.. Now all I need is someone with motivation and time to take over this group and achieve its goal!

Look within, we have all joined and asked others to, so go for the gold my friend!

Go to gopetition and start one and add it to your facebook page.


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I sent out invitations and see that the group is growing. That petition idea is a good one.
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