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posted 03 December 2005 10:01 PM      Profile for Transplant     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, oh...., George isn't gonna like this:

Iran and Russia sign $1 bln defense deal: reports

Reuters - Russia plans to sell more than $1 billion worth of tactical surface-to-air missiles and other defense hardware to Iran, media reported on Friday.

Moscow is already at odds with the West over its nuclear ties with Tehran but has sought to use its warm relations with Iran to be recognized as a key mediator between the West and the Islamic Republic.

The Vedomosti business daily cited military sources as saying Iran would buy 29 TOR-M1 systems designed to bring down aircraft and guided missiles at low altitudes.

The paper, calling it the biggest sale of Russian defense hardware to Iran for about five years, said Moscow and Tehran had already signed the contract.

Interfax news agency separately quoted a source as saying the deal, which would also include modernizing Iran's air force and supplying some patrol boats, was worth more than $1 billion.

The move, likely to irritate Israel and the United States, could strain Moscow's efforts to broker a deal between Iran and European negotiators aimed at breaking a deadlock over Tehran's nuclear program. ...


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posted 03 December 2005 10:15 PM      Profile for Américain Égalitaire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ho ho, looks like the US F-15s wont be able to fly over Iran with such impunity if this goes through. You damnbetch Georgie won't like this one little bit.

Wonder how the Russians are figuring this?


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posted 03 December 2005 10:21 PM      Profile for Webgear     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well the TOR-M1 or SA-15 is a decent weapon system. However only buying 29 of them is a waste of money, 29 air defence systems would not even put up a meager defence against IDF or USAF if Iran was attacked.

Tor M1 9M330 Air Defense System

Tor-M1


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posted 03 December 2005 10:28 PM      Profile for Américain Égalitaire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Webgear LTNS! Thanks for the link to the specs.

Again, perhaps the Russians are also testing the waters with this deal to see how Washington reacts.


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posted 03 December 2005 10:29 PM      Profile for nister     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I would point out that Iran's front line fighter is the F-15. Also that Saudi Arabia and Syria have 400 front line fighter bombers, like the Tornado, and Sukhoi SU-27's, within ten minutes of Tel Aviv.
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posted 03 December 2005 10:33 PM      Profile for Américain Égalitaire   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
nister:

true but the US believes it has a huge superiority in pilot training and ground-air support. I also would think that Iranian airbases would be targeted with tomahawks initially anyway. I'm not sure there's any great defense they would have against them.

Webgear, what say you?


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posted 03 December 2005 11:04 PM      Profile for Webgear     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The are two defences against cruise missiles attacks

1. Having a great deception and defence plan such as hiding aircraft and equipment, many layers of air defence systems, having fake mock-ups of equipment and structures, and a having a command and control system where the leadership at any level and make timely discussions against an attack.

2. Attack your enemy first, target and destroy his missile launching systems before they can strike you. Attack him before he attacks you, we have seen it again and again, there are only two countries in the world that can stop the USA by themselves, the Chinese and the Russians.


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posted 03 December 2005 11:23 PM      Profile for jrootham     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How about the Israelis?

I understand that they are allies, but just on a competence comparison.


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posted 03 December 2005 11:33 PM      Profile for No Yards   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Webgear:
The are two defences against cruise missiles attacks

snip ...


You forgot the third way, a variation on your first method ... as we learned from the US presentation to the UN by Powell, if you draw some pictures of a bunch of military equipment and make some claims about where these drawings of military equipment are located, that USians will be fooled into attacking there.


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posted 04 December 2005 05:50 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Webgear:
Well the TOR-M1 or SA-15 is a decent weapon system. However only buying 29 of them is a waste of money, 29 air defence systems would not even put up a meager defence against IDF or USAF if Iran was attacked.

Iran as a whole, yeah. But do you think they'd have some effect if, say, they were placed only at their nuclear development sites and the US or Israel went for a "surgical" strike?

. . . on a side note, I find it rather grotesque that a billion bucks worth of air defence systems is not enough to put up even a "meager defence" for a medium-sized country. What a comment on the cost of modern weapons technologies. Ick.


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posted 04 December 2005 08:35 PM      Profile for nister     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Israel has said it will attack Iranian nuclear facilities; the missile systems can be amassed in defense. I point out the fighter bombers in Syria and Saudi Arabia because they are "hors de combat", airfields included, until they are used to retaliate. If the US takes part in the deed, oil prices will go ballistic, so I doubt Iran need worry about their airfields.

This isn't about a nuclear nightmare for the US. It's not even that for Israel. It's about what an Arab bomb does for the conventional theatre; it moves the front line right up to Israel's borders.

Anyone with dreams of defeating the latest cruise missiles need only google PJ-10 BrahMos. Note that it copies the Onyx, which is what Putin has indicated he will use on Israel if they attack Iran. Israel's Arrow will not help.


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posted 05 December 2005 08:03 AM      Profile for nister     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Headline of convenience: "Iran only months away from bomb". {Drudge} We were told reliably that Iran was a decade away..suddenly bippety, boppety, BOO.
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