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CourtneyGQuinn
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posted 22 August 2005 12:13 PM      Profile for CourtneyGQuinn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
maybe CBC management devised a sinister plot with the CBC union to stage this strike....i keep reading and hearing the term "permanent staff/worker/employee".....at best CBC management can only offer a contract as long as the current government is in power....both sides presumably know this....


and why haven't the Conservatives and Stephen Harper been talking about CBC?....he should have already said this about that situation- "if a Conservative government comes into office we will slash the CBC budget in half...our government would be willing to spend roughly $500 million on public broadcasting- but- the current management and union bosses will have to go if they can't spend/share the more then $1 billion they already get more effectively"

seriously....do you know what 1 billion a year can buy these days regarding media equipment?....right now during the lockout the CBC should buy 10 000 digital camcorders to create content rather then showing the current lacking/lousy lineup....for $10 million (roughly how much CBC currently spends a day) CBC could buy thousands of digicams with multi megapixel clarity and the latest harddrive storage capabilities and eliminate the need for tapes/disks....the CBC could set up "speakers corners" type kiosks/booths/stages throughout the country....1000 could be setup in schools, universities and research labs....500 could be set up in hospitals and court rooms....500 could be set up in malls and libraries....and a few thousand cameras could even be freely rented out to Canadians through-out the country to produce short newscasts or longer documentaires

for the price CBC currently spends of salaries for a couple of weeks.....they could buy thousands of digicams + attach those cams to computers + link those digicam computers to the internet to tell the stories, thoughts, opinions, ideas, concerns, hopes and dreams for the(ir) city/province/nation/world/solar system and beyond....

perhaps the CBC needs no more then 2500 employees at any given time....1000 of those employees shoud be Canada's digital diplomats throughout the world...their job would be to record , archive and translate stories from through-out the world....1000 of those employess should be based in Canada....they should be armed with a digicam, editing software, bandwidth and a keen sense to record interesting stories....

so the new CBC could be set up such that there's thousands of outlets/booths/kiosks nationwide for Canadians to be a part of the CBC....i can imagine these CBC "speakers corners" being a place for single viewpoints (one chair, one person) or being set up for multiple chairs (debate/discussion)....every university in the country should have at least one CBC sponsored speakers corner

anyway...i've got too many ideas regarding the future of CBC (and hence Canada and how Canada sees itself)...i seem to be digressing....


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posted 22 August 2005 12:18 PM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

No, they shouldn't run around on the street with digital cameras. Do you realize how shitty that TV would be? I don't ever want to see a new reality TV show. Much less my favourite channel being hijacked and turned into Survivor: Canada. Except you know...crappier.


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posted 22 August 2005 12:22 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
maybe CBC management devised a sinister plot with the CBC union to stage this strike....

Or, maybe, they just locked out the workers, and then let people assume that the workers were on strike?

quote:
The CBC locked out about 5,500 employees at 12:01 a.m. Monday after no substantial progress was made in last-minute bargaining between Canada's largest broadcaster and its union, the Canadian Media Guild.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/08/14/CBC_locks_out_employees20050815.html


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posted 22 August 2005 12:32 PM      Profile for CourtneyGQuinn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
and regarding the half-baked television lineup the CBC is currently airing.....

why isn't the CBC airing old news footage recorded from the previous 50 years.....

months ago i wondered about the feasibility of setting up a content provider for people in old age homes....using past content (tv/news/music/pictures/stories) why not give a person in an old age home the ability to see, hear, remember, recollect footage long since past (but still recorded and archived)?

i know the CBC has slowly started digitally restoring and archving old footage....it wouldn't take that long and it wouldn't cost that much to transfer, reformat and archive every "National" episode for the last 50 years....


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posted 22 August 2005 12:45 PM      Profile for Tommy Shanks     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Paging Mr. Magoo, Mr. Magoo.

But seriously, what would be the point? Why would you subject anyone to 50 years of the National (not that the National is bad. Far from it.)

By what would be the point for nursing homes? So old people can relive days past?

And I know this is dangerously close to putting words in your mouth, but I would imagine most elderly people being rather insulted by the suggestion that they would be comforted by reruns rather then have to deal with reality now.

You know an hour of stuff from 30 years ago still takes an hour to watch, but it has the added value of being for the most part meaningless.


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posted 22 August 2005 12:49 PM      Profile for CourtneyGQuinn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Papal Bull--

remember the movie "Blair Witch project" that was made a few years ago?.....well the cameras they used have not only increased in resolution/clarity....but they've also substantially gone down in price

and for the most part...all tv is reality tv....

there was a story in the Winnipeg Free Press this weekend....it was about gas sniffing at a northern Manitoba reserve...the story said that the elder whose trying to help with substance abuse had an epiphany....he said that he truly became dismayed when he saw a fellow adult walk by a gas sniffing child and not do anything about it (he also said he was terriblly shocked to see a 6 year old child huffing)....i don't mean to sensationalize what's occurring....but that footage would make for a terribly true Canadian reality tv program

600 reservers in Canada.....the CBC should have at least 60 digicams telling the stories of First Nations peoples...not just the bad- the good also....if the CBC gave 60 digicams, computers, software and bandwidth to First Nations people through-out Canada.....within weeks CBC would have hundred of hours of outdoor Canadiana from coast to coast....with that footage CBC could create hours of culture, nature, hunting, and fishing programs

thousands of CBC sposored digicams and speakers-corners from coast to coast could drastically change CBC content overnight for a relatively low cost


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posted 22 August 2005 12:50 PM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh, WORD, PB!!

We *so* do not need any more cheap-ass reality shows.


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posted 22 August 2005 12:52 PM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by CourtneyGQuinn:
remember the movie "Blair Witch project" that was made a few years ago?.....

You addressed this to PB, but I remember it! That movie was crap. It stands out as the only cinematic experience that, by itself, made me vomit. It wasn't because of the technology. It was because of the way the technology was used.

*shudder*


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posted 22 August 2005 12:52 PM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, from brilliant documentaries to tripe!

What are you on?

On the Blair Witch Project:

The movie in and of itself was shitacular. You know what made it brilliant? The use of an advertising campaign that built it up. That's the only thing that made it interesting. This bizzare story-line about a local monster in the woods that people were duped into believing via very realistic para-normal-esque documentaries and even the placement of ads in the newspaper.

[ 22 August 2005: Message edited by: Papal Bull ]


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posted 22 August 2005 01:12 PM      Profile for CourtneyGQuinn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Jeff House---

perhaps it was originally a lock-out....but if the union truly wanted to go back to work they could settle this false argument ("permanent" status)....i'd love to see the contract the union thinking about...."1)in the event that the NDP gets into power and the budget increases- all the workers we hire are hired for life....2)in the event that the Conservatives get into power and the budget decreases- we devout our budget to hiring lawyers, lobbyists and PR people to increase our budgeet....3)in the event that the Liberals keep the power and the budget stays the same- status quo, quasi permanent contracts for all (and maybe a GG appointment for some )


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posted 22 August 2005 01:23 PM      Profile for CourtneyGQuinn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Tommy Shanks---

a nursing home content machine would work for the same reasons Antiques Roadshow works....people like nostalgia

not all older people can download movies, music, shows, pictures and stories from 50 years....it might be a good idea to create something that allows a senior/elder to pick a year, month, day, location and language....self determined nostalgic content


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posted 22 August 2005 01:23 PM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I shall attempt to channel Magoo, albeit far less subtly:

THINK BEFORE YOU TYPE!!!


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posted 22 August 2005 01:27 PM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by CourtneyGQuinn:
not all older people can download movies, music, shows, pictures and stories from 50 years....it might be a good idea to create something that allows a senior/elder to pick a year, month, day, location and language....self determined nostalgic content

Courtney, these residents are supposed to remember the year, month, day, location and language of the show they want to watch? Hell, I'm 25 and I wouldn't be able to remember that ... I have a lot less to remember! Why not just give them, like, a TV guide, or something?


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posted 22 August 2005 01:29 PM      Profile for West Coast Tiger     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I would be glad with non-stop programming of Rick Mercer and This Hour Has 22 Minutes. What more do we need?!

Reality shows = vomitus
No thanks.


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posted 22 August 2005 01:31 PM      Profile for fern hill        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by CourtneyGQuinn:

seriously....do you know what 1 billion a year can buy these days regarding media equipment?....right now during the lockout the CBC should buy 10 000 digital camcorders to create content rather then showing the current lacking/lousy lineup....for $10 million (roughly how much CBC currently spends a day) CBC could buy thousands of digicams with multi megapixel clarity and the latest harddrive storage capabilities and eliminate the need for tapes/disks


What? No ultra-light aircraft ?


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posted 22 August 2005 01:35 PM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, ultra-lights probably would help with the nature programming being suggested...
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posted 22 August 2005 01:36 PM      Profile for CourtneyGQuinn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
kurichina---

it should be set up in such a way that the person only need enter a few inputs into the system....for example "News, Music, Pictures, Stories", "August 22 1955", "Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada".....


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posted 22 August 2005 01:40 PM      Profile for CourtneyGQuinn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Papul Bull---

the highest grossing, multiple award winning documentary of all time was recently recorded mosty with cheap digicams (Farandright(?) 911)

during the hockey lockout many Canadians were perfectly content to watch amateurs ply their trade....why not with News and documentaries?


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posted 22 August 2005 01:45 PM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by CourtneyGQuinn:
kurichina---

it should be set up in such a way that the person only need enter a few inputs into the system....for example "News, Music, Pictures, Stories", "August 22 1955", "Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada".....


But why August 22, 1955 if one is just browsing for entertainment? Most of the time, when we want to be entertained, we don't already know what we want to watch, we browse until something catches our eye...


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posted 22 August 2005 01:54 PM      Profile for CourtneyGQuinn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
kurichina---

that's why the current media landscape is facing such turmoil....push versus pull content...if a senior was feeling nostalgic they could watch/look for old "I Love Lucy" episodes on Prime tv...or they could go to the library and look-up old newspapers....or they could dust of the record collection, or go to a vintage musical store or try downloading long, lost songs from way back when....

i just think if i were 80+ years and sitting in a seniors home it might be cool to have the option to easily locate and watch/read/listen to content from way back when


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posted 22 August 2005 01:58 PM      Profile for CourtneyGQuinn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
fern hill---

o ya- for sure....the CBC should have 10 or 20 PPUL's located through-out the country/world....

think of PPUL's as low cost quasi satellites...the amount of information they can extract is great


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posted 22 August 2005 02:07 PM      Profile for A Giant Gopher     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/001368.html
The CBC is a threat to free speech. A billion dollars buys a lot of Liberal propaganda.

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posted 22 August 2005 02:12 PM      Profile for CourtneyGQuinn     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
one more crazy, incoherent rant before i call it a day....

the CBC should turn weather forecasting into a pan-Canadian contest....through-out the country they should setup LCD touch screen monitors.....these monitors should provide Canadians with the ability to view the current weather and predict future weather....globally, nationally, and regionally- who can predict the best long and short range forecasts?....inputing simple straightforward variables into the system....who can guess what the temperature, wind, precipitation will be in what part on the world when?....you pick where/when you think it will be hot or dry or windy or rainy or foggy or cold or humid....

the person who's closest in guessing short and long range weather forecasts wins a contract as CBC's weather-person

(btw---rather then just guessing forecasts for the earth/nation/region....it might also be prudent to guess weather within the solar system....fyi: there's a recent trend pointing towards global warming on Mars....(no joke))


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posted 22 August 2005 02:12 PM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow, Gopher. 85% of the donations went to right-wing parties, eh? That must explain why the CBC is biased....

>__< Edited... Damn you blue parties: how unoriginal is it for two parties to the same colours? Pretty *damn* unoriginal!

[ 22 August 2005: Message edited by: kurichina ]


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posted 22 August 2005 02:14 PM      Profile for A Giant Gopher     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You might want to check you political compass there, partner. And your math.

[ 22 August 2005: Message edited by: A Giant Gopher ]


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posted 22 August 2005 02:16 PM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No, Courtney. You know why that was a high-grossing film? Because Micheal Moore was behind it. And a giganormus marketing campaign and plenty of controversy. Your case that digi-cams can make brilliant televisions stands aside. For ever Farenheit 9-11 there are going to be a billion-trillion-bajillion crappy reality TV shows of morons in "PPULs" flying around bouncing into buildings trying to get wax from bees to power their gigantic floating 2L Pepsi bottle platforms.

As a side note:

Seppuku for the general population will be suggested by the largely unknown Shogunate of Canada should you have gain the PMO.

added: Giant Gopher. I'm really going to trust a grainy image of a graph that doesn't have any sources. Look I'll make some statistics!

Is Giant Gopher an idiot?

A poll recently produced by the Chef Woo Low Fat-Instant Noodles polling firm shows that:

28% of all Matreshka dolls that can talk assume Giant Gopher is an idiot.
99.99999999999999999999999% of Canadians believe he is incapable of breathing via his own intelligence.
10% of humans believe that he knows how to craft keys.

[ 22 August 2005: Message edited by: Papal Bull ]


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posted 22 August 2005 02:24 PM      Profile for A Giant Gopher     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
http://www.stephentaylor.ca/archives/000179.html
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posted 22 August 2005 02:26 PM      Profile for kuri   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Perhaps someone should direct our new friend to the advertising rates for babble?
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posted 22 August 2005 02:30 PM      Profile for Papal Bull   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So, individual people aren't allowed to donate to parties now?

DEAR JESUS NO! I SUPPOSE WE SHOULD TAKE ROGERS OFF AIR BECAUSE IT CONTRIBUTES TO THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY ONONONONES!

Additionally, why didn't he post information on this rather than a crappy graph and a link. I find it irritating that these bastions of eternal truth do this.


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posted 22 August 2005 02:38 PM      Profile for pogge   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by A Giant Gopher:
http://www.stephentaylor.ca/archives/000179.html

I think the information Stephen presents in this post is quite interesting. How much better would the public be served by a public broadcaster whose board and management isn't stacked with Liberal patronage appointments? If anything, it makes me even more suspicious that the lockout represents yet another case of creating crisis -- weaken the CBC even further so that its inability to carry out its mandate becomes a justification for shutting it down altogether.

As for this, though:

quote:
The CBC is a threat to free speech.

More straw than a Kansas cornfield.

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NO NPD DONATIONS! NO GREEN PARTY DONATION!

Let's dismantle CBC.

Btw, the Fox fifth estate show was really good.


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quote:
If anything, it makes me even more suspicious that the lockout represents yet another case of creating crisis -- weaken the CBC even further so that its inability to carry out its mandate becomes a justification for shutting it down altogether.

That's the hilarious part. The CBC has been utterly disembowelled by the Liberals, but the right wing loons keep on howling away. If the CBC really is the all powerful Liberal Party propaganda machine that has hypnotised Canadians into believing that Harper is a buffoon, why on earth would they gut it the way they have?


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Strike sort of has nothing to do with what we are currently talking about (ie. CBC = liberal propanganda), but, disregarding my last comment, it does raise an interesting point. Can we ask of someone hired by the state to be devoid of a political affiliation?

What would you like instead? We put some split donationeers at the head of the CBC? What about those that don't wish to donate, what about green party?, NDP? If we even consider this, the CBC becomes even more politicised... imo, should be more based on who can do a good job. Realistically tho, it is somewhat normal that since liberals have been head of governement for so, that it is part of the CBC hierarchy...

BTW, who chooses top CBC management? PM office?

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quote:
Originally posted by CourtneyGQuinn:
perhaps it was originally a lock-out

Beyond argument, it was and remains a lock-out. As with most lock-outs, the reason for it is because management wants to change the terms of the collective agreement. As Heather Mallick said:

quote:
. . . all you needed to say was you want to hire temps who won't get health benefits.

So why didn't you?


I request you change the title of this thread. If not, management should lock you out and change it themselves.


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quote:
for the price CBC currently spends of salaries for a couple of weeks.....they could buy thousands of digicams + attach those cams to computers + link those digicam computers to the internet to tell the stories, thoughts, opinions, ideas, concerns, hopes and dreams for the(ir) city/province/nation/world/solar system and beyond....

Courtney. . . . sigh.

It's being done on the carcass of what was once Newsworld International:

Current TV

Is this what you really want?


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Courtney also missed a little show called Zed, which featured a lot of low-budget film pieces from across the country. Some of which were quite good, and some of which were entertaining for other reasons.
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