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Hephaestion
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posted 13 June 2004 05:45 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The State of Virginia has enacted the most draconian, bigoted, anti-gay laws imaginable, that not only bans gay marriage and civil unions, but also ANY other form of mutual contract between LGBT persons.

Attempts by the governor to "soften" the law have been rebuffed, and LGBT activists are now calling on all gays and straight supporters of gay rights to boycott the state and all companies operating out of the state ....

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Gay Boycott of Virginia Organized

by 365Gay.com Newscenter Staff
Posted: June 11 2004 2:22 pm. ET

(Richmond, Virginia) Two groups have formed to convince LGBT travelers to boycott the state of Virginia following the passage of a law banning gay marriage, civil unions and all other same-sex partnerships.

The law is considered the most repressive legislation in the country for gay couples and their children.

A website is calling on people not only to boycott Virginia as a tourist destination but also to pass up products made in the state.

VirginiaisforHaters.org is the brainchild of Jay Porter and his partner David Smith who live in Seattle. The website name plays on the state's tourism motto, "Virginia is for Lovers." Porter says the state law is of concern for all Americans.

He points to clothing company J.Crew which markets across the country but has a customer service and distribution center in Lynchburg, Va.

The second group is specifically targeting the 400th anniversary celebration of the founding of Jamestown in 2007. Virginia is expecting millions of visitors for the yearlong event.

Make Love Legal says it hopes to put a dent in the billions of dollars the state stands to bring in as a result of the celebration.

"This whole idea is: Don't spend your money in a place where people hurt you," Diane Horvath, the Richmond attorney who is behind Make Love told the Pilot newspaper.

Virginia already had a so-called Defense of Marriage law when the new bill arrived on the desk of Gov. Mark R. Warner. Attempts by Warner were rebuffed by the legislature, and in April the original act was passed a second time leaving the governor no choice but to sign it. story

Virginia's leading gay rights organization, Equality Virginia, is planning a legal challenge, as well as statewide protests on June 30, the day before the law takes effect.



We have since discovered that the website, "VirginiaisforHaters.org" has been disabled by person(s) unknown, but not before my friend Byron pulled the following list off their site:

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The list:

US Airways
2345 Crystal Drive
Arlington, VA 22227
703-872-7000


Capital One
Attn: Customer Relations
PO Box 85015
Richmond, VA 23285-5015
Phone: 1-800-955-7070
1-804-747-7200

Altria (Philip Morris)
owns
Kraft Food
which owns
Maxwell House
which distributes
Starbucks Coffee Beans!

CHAMBER OF COMMERCE
Virginia Chamber of Commerce
Hugh D. Keogh
President
9 South Fifth Street
Richmond, VA 23219
O: (804) 644-1607
1-800-477-7682
F: (804) 783-6112
www.vachamber.com


ECONOMIC DEVELOPERS
Virginia Economic Developers Association
Connie Long
Executive Director
1340 N. Great Neck Road, #1272-128
Virginia Beach, VA 23454-2230
O: (757) 412-2664
F: (757) 412-4637
www.vedanet.org


PEANUT
Peanut Growers Cooperative Marketing Association
Thomas R. Cotton, Jr.
Manager
1001 Campbell Ave.
P.O. Box 59
Franklin, VA 23851
O: (757) 562-4103
F: (757) 562-0744


PRESS
Virginia Press Association, Inc.
Ginger Stanley
Executive Director
P.O. Box 85613
Richmond, VA 23285
O: (804) 550-2361
F: (804) 550-2407
www.vpa.net


RETAIL MERCHANTS
Virginia Retail Merchants Association
Dale Maston
President
1001 E. Broad St., Ste. 315
Richmond, VA 23219
O: (804) 649-0789
F: (804) 644-8762


BEER WHOLESALERS
Virginia Beer Wholesalers Association
Dennis P. Gallagher
Executive Vice President
701 E. Franklin Street, Ste. 111
Richmond, VA 23219
O: (804) 783-2655
F: (804) 643-1836
vdwa@aol.com


BROADCASTERS
Virginia Association of Broadcasters
Peter Easter, CAE
Executive Director
630 Country Green Lane
Charlottesville, VA 22911
O: (804) 977-3716
F: (804) 979-2439
www.vab.net


CABLE TELECOMMUNICA-TIONS
Virginia Cable Telecommunications
Kathryn C. Falk
President
VCTA
1001 East Broad Street, Ste. 210
Richmond, VA. 23294
O: (804) 780-1776
F: (804) 225-8036
VCTA@erols.com


CAMPGROUND
Virginia Campground Association
Andrea Falzarano
Executive Vice President
2101 Libbie Avenue
Richmond, VA 23230
O: (804) 288-3065
F: (804) 285-3093


CHAMBER OF COMMERCE
Virginia Chamber of Commerce
Hugh D. Keogh
President
9 South Fifth Street
Richmond, VA 23219
O: (804) 644-1607
1-800-477-7682
F: (804) 783-6112
www.vachamber.com


CHAMBER OF COMMERCE EXECUTIVES
Virginia Association of Chamber of Commerce Executives
Maryann Crowder
Executive Director
9 South Fifth Street
Richmond, VA 23219
O: (804) 644-1607
1-800-477-7682
F: (804) 783-6112
www.vachamber.com


CREDIT UNIONS
Virginia Credit Union League
Eugene H. Farley, Jr.
President
1207 Fenwick Drive
P.O. Box 11469
Lynchburg, VA 24506
O: (804) 237-9601
F: (804) 239-8148


ECONOMIC DEVELOPERS
Virginia Economic Developers Association
Connie Long
Executive Director
1340 N. Great Neck Road, #1272-128
Virginia Beach, VA 23454-2230
O: (757) 412-2664
F: (757) 412-4637
www.vedanet.org


FARM BUREAUS
Virginia Farm Bureau Federation
Bruce Hiatt
President
P.O. Box 27552
Richmond, VA 23261-7552
O: (804) 784-1234
F: (804) 784-2586
washw@vafb.com


FARM COOPERATIVES
Virginia Council of Farmers, Inc.
Hugh S. Harris
Executive Director
6606 W. Broad St.
Richmond, VA 23230-1717
P.O. Box 25202
Richmond VA. 23260
O: (804) 281-1452
F: (804) 281-1141


FINANCIAL SERVICES
Virginia Financial Services Association
Jeff D. Smith III
President
4900 Augusta Avenue, Ste. 101
Richmond, VA 23230
O: (804) 353-2322
F: (804) 355-8986


FOOD DEALERS
Virginia Food Dealers Association, Inc.
Barry Hawkins
President
4121 Meadowdale Blvd., Ste. D
Richmond, VA 23234
O: (804) 271-5964
1-800-552-9819
F: (804) 271-5991
www.vfda.org
vfda@mindspring.com


HOSPITALITY
Virginia Hospitality Sales & Marketing Association, Inc.
Ashton D. Mitchell, III
Executive Vice President
3205 Skipwith Rd.
Richmond, VA 23294-4445
O: (804) 747-4971
F: (804) 747-5022
hsmai-va@eisenmanassociates.com


HOSPITALITY AND TRAVEL
Virginia Hospitality and Travel Association
Andrea Falzarano
2101 Libbie Ave.
Richmond, VA 23230
O: (804) 288-3065
F: (804) 285-3093
virgtravel@aol.com


LAWYERS
Virginia Bar Association
David C. Landin
President
701 E. Franklin St.,
Ste. 1120
Richmond, VA 23219
O: (804) 644-0041
F: (804) 644-0052
thevba@vba.org


LAWYERS
Virginia Trial Lawyers Association
Jack L. Harris
Executive Director
700 E. Main St.,
Ste. 1510
Richmond, VA 23219
O: (804) 343-1143
1-800-267-8852
F: (804) 343-1143
www.vtla.com
vtla@vtla.com


MANUFACTURERS
Virginia Manufacturers Association, Inc.
Brett A. Vassey
President & CEO
P.O. Box 412
Richmond, VA 23218-0412
O: (804) 643-7489
F: (804) 780-3853
bvassey@vmaonline.org
www.vmaonline.org


PEANUT
Virginia-Carolina Peanut Association
Whitney G. Saunders
Executive Secretary
705 W. Washington St.
Suffolk, VA 23434
O: (757) 934-1313
F: (757) 934-1318


PEANUT
Peanut Growers Cooperative Marketing Association
Thomas R. Cotton, Jr.
Manager
1001 Campbell Ave.
P.O. Box 59
Franklin, VA 23851
O: (757) 562-4103
F: (757) 562-0744


PRESS
Virginia Press Association, Inc.
Ginger Stanley
Executive Director
P.O. Box 85613
Richmond, VA 23285
O: (804) 550-2361
F: (804) 550-2407
www.vpa.net


RETAIL MERCHANTS
Virginia Retail Merchants Association
Dale Maston
President
1001 E. Broad St., Ste. 315
Richmond, VA 23219
O: (804) 649-0789
F: (804) 644-8762


TECHNOLOGY
Virginia Small Business Advanced Technology Association
Russell J. Churchill
President
P.O. Box 3406
Radford, VA 24143
O: (540) 731-0655
F: (540) 731-0836


TELE-COMMUNICATIONS
Virginia Telecommunications Industry Association
Earl D. Bishop
Executive Vice President
11 South 12th Street, Ste. 310
Richmond, VA 23219
O: (804) 643-0688
F: (804) 643-6156
vtia@msn.com


WINE WHOLESALERS
Virginia Wine Wholesalers Association, Inc.
Charles R. Duvall, Jr.
President
P.O. Box 170
Richmond, VA. 23218
O: (804) 644-7884
F: (804) 644-7886
lindlcorp@aol.com


Oasis Winery
14141 Hume Road Hume, Virginia, 22639
Phone: 800-304-7656 or 540-635-7627 Fax: 540-635-4653
web site: www.oasiswine.com email: oasiswine@aol.com


Williamsburg Winery
5800 Wessex Hundred, Williamsburg, VA 23185-8063
Tel: (757) 258-0899 Fax: (757) 564-0394
web site: www.williamsburgwinery.com
email: wine@wmbgwine.com


Smithfield Hams
Call 800) 926-8448
Fax: (757) 673-7004
Mail: P.O. Box 250
Portsmouth, VA 23705
email: smithfield@smithfieldhams.com
The Smithfield Catalog Group
P.O. Box 250, Portsmouth, VA 23705


Virginia Tourism Corporation
901 E. Byrd St.
Richmond, VA 23219
Telephone: (800) VISIT VA
(800-847-4882)
Email: VAinfo@helloinc.com

1. Freddie McLean
(703) 903-2000
CEO: Leland C. Brendsel

2. Circuit City Stores
Richmond
(804) 527-4000
CEO: W. Alan McCollough

3. General Dynamics
Falls Church
(703) 876-3000
CEO: Nicholas D. Chabraja

4. Dominion
Richmond
(804) 819-2000
CEO: Thos. E. Capps

5. AES Corp.
Arlington
(703) 522-1315
CEO: Paul T. Hanrahan

6. Capital One Financial
Falls Church
(703) 205-1000
CEO: Richard D. Fairbank

7. Nextel Communications
Reston
(703) 433-4000
CEO: Timothy M. Donahue

8. CSX Corp.
Richmond
(804) 782-1400
CEO: John W. Snow

9. Smithfield Foods
Smithfield
(757) 365-3000
CEO: Joseph W. Luter III

10. US Airways Group
Arlington
(703) 872-7000
CEO: David N. Siegel


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posted 13 June 2004 05:51 PM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I dunno, Heph. Your demonizing of the Virginian entity is sad, and rather telling.
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Hephaestion
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posted 13 June 2004 06:04 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hahahahahahahaahahaha!!!

Goooood one, al-Q !! *muffled sniggers*

What the hell was Starbuck on about with all this "Zionist Entity" stuff anyway? Makes it sound like some kind of weird friggin' cult or something?!

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posted 13 June 2004 06:56 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The expression ZOG (Zionist Organised Government) is used by far-right nutcases like Ernst Zündel to refer, usually, to the US government, presumed to be at the behest of those nasty Jooz. I stayed away from the Jerusalem homophobia thread when it turned into the usual shouting match about Zionism and accusations of anti-semitism, so I can't judge how the term "Zionist entity" was used or by whom.

But the "Homophobe Organised Government" would be the HOG, quite suitable in the light of the bigotry old Virginny is showing to its gay citizens and visitors. Remember, half of the suburbs of Washington DC are in Virginia, so the impact of a boycott could be major indeed!

We must come up with a list of famous gay Virginians, past and present!


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posted 13 June 2004 07:17 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

Great idea, lagatta!!


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posted 13 June 2004 08:34 PM      Profile for The Green Bastard     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Famous gay Virginians???

I dunno....Jefferson Davis?


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posted 13 June 2004 09:00 PM      Profile for Fidel     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think the Klan is still active in Virginia and the Carolina's. Very anti-union and anti-socialist. West Virginia's a shithole.
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posted 13 June 2004 09:11 PM      Profile for swallow     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey! I bought some quite tasty peach chardonnay in West Virginia last year. Those two states are very different, anyways.

There's some inspiring fightback against this new law -- including by Governor Warner.

Virginia is for Lovers. Some restrictions apply.


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posted 13 June 2004 09:24 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by swallow:
Hey! I bought some quite tasty peach chardonnay in West Virginia last year. Those two states are very different, anyways.

There's some inspiring fightback against this new law -- including by Governor Warner.

Virginia is for Lovers. Some restrictions apply.



'Mongst other things, Virginia fought for the South; West Virginia fought for the North.

It was the only state that was literally split in two by the Civil War. Not surprising that of the two it was Virginia that enacted such [sarcasm]forward-looking[/sarcasm] legislation...


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posted 13 June 2004 09:45 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, but can you imagine the number of gay and lesbian civil servant couples who've bought condos or houses or rented flats in the Virginian suburbs of Washington DC?

I'm old enough that the things like wills, medical consent and power of attorney hit home. Though it sure wouldn't happen here now, I remember (over 20 years ago) a gay co-worker of mine who was stabbed to death - his companion managed a little B & B in the Gay Village, at the time a neighbourhood where there were also a lot of toughs. (It was a robbery, not a "crime passionnel", to the disappointment of homophobic sleaze tabloids). My friend's remains and worse, his funeral, were taken over by his family, from a provincial town in the Saguenay. His companion was left out - oh, perhaps he could attend but that was all.

Back to the Old South: Do any of you remember miscegenation legislation?


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posted 14 June 2004 12:01 AM      Profile for BugBear   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Hephaestion:

What the hell was Starbuck on about with all this "Zionist Entity" stuff anyway? Makes it sound like some kind of weird friggin' cult or something?!

[ 13 June 2004: Message edited by: Hephaestion ]


The term "Zionist Entity" is used by countries such as Iran as a name for the Zionist Entity. Many people in the world refuse to recognise a state in Palestine based upon tribal purity. Unfortunately for some other people, the Zionist entity is in fact an illegal regime and has broken many UN resolutions and exists only because of US protection.


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posted 14 June 2004 12:46 AM      Profile for Thrasymachus     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
anyway getting back to this thread... A close relative of mine just moved out of Vriginia to the more civil state of Maryland. Her neighbour in Arlington just wrote her a letter saying that he and his partner are having to leave Virginia despite being a long time resident because they now are unable to do basic life planning (e.g. a will naming a same sex partner as a beneficiary). Absolutely disgusting, so much for the land of the free, eh.
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posted 14 June 2004 12:06 PM      Profile for beverly     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is Virginia on this planet? YIKES makes me glad I live in Alberta, as much as I complain about some of the ideas 'round these here parts, at least my neighbours haven't become that draconian yet.
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I was just in Virginia visiting my grandparents, actually. It's a weird mix of people, and not at all a backwoods land of hicks (well, not entirely). But social conservatism helps to unite a lot of them over what are otherwise some pretty deep divisions. In some ways, this has been slipped under the radar screen as a move to re-unite some factions that were recently at each other's throats over a tax increase, and to deliver a political defeat to a somewhat decent Democratic Governor. But it's incredibly inept, symbolically undoing a lot of the "New South" movements in the past few decades. I think this is really going to backfire on the whole state -- although in the short term, making gay rights an election issue may help keep the state safe for Bush this year.
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In the year 1970, the Supreme Court of the United Stated struck down all "miscegenation" laws which made it criminal for a black person and a white person to wed.

The case was called "Loving v. Virginia".

Virginia's Attorney General vigourously argued that there was NOTHING illegal about the state deciding who could marry whom.

They lost. So 30 years later, they do the same thing again.


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posted 14 June 2004 07:57 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The latest info. courtesy of a thread at 365gay.com—

Subject : Boycott Virginia
Author : Archbishop Simpson
Date : 06/14/2004 17:41

The site for virginiaisforhaters.org was shut down via hackers using computers in China. The group is looking for a more powerful ISP that can handle denial of service attacks.

Seems someone is afraid of the site.

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posted 15 June 2004 11:47 AM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Huhhh!! The following posting was made at 365gay.com by Archbishop Bruce Simpson.

(He really IS an Archbishop, in the "Old Catholic Church", which I admit I had never heard of before "Archie" — as I call him — started posting at 365gay.com and I got to know him... He's in the "Benedictine Order of St. John the Beloved", and yes, he's openly gay)

quote:

For eveyone's information, this is the Delegate from the Commonwealth of Virginia that wrote and had passed the new anti-gay law that takes effect in Virginia, July 1. See, where people like this come from?


The person he was identifying was the author of the following piece, which "Archie" had posted earlier in the same thread:

quote:

Dear "Rev." Simpson,

I received a Benedictine education with a History major.

George Washington literally "drummed" a csoldier out of the Continental Army for solicitation of sodomy at a time he sorely needed troops.

And as for Thomas Jefferson's view of sodomy, well, you should read the following:

Letter from Thomas Jefferson to Edmund Pendleton, 1776. Papers 1:505

Punishments I know are necessary, and I would provide them strict and inflexible, but proportioned to the crime. Death might be inflicted for murder and perhaps for treason, [but I] would take out of the description of treason all crimes which are not such in their nature. Rape, buggery, etc., punish by castration. All other crimes by working on high roads, rivers, gallies, etc., a certain time proportioned to the offence... ."

Thomas Jefferson, A Bill for Proportioning Crimes and Punishments, 1778 Papers 2:492--504

Whereas it frequently happens that wicked and dissolute men resigning themselves to the dominion of inordinate passions, commit violations on the lives, liberties and property of others, and, the secure enjoyment of these having principally induced men to enter into society, government would be defective in it's principal purpose were it not to restrain such criminal acts, by inflicting due punishments on those who perpetrate them …

Whosoever shall be guilty of Rape, Polygamy, or Sodomy with man or woman shall be punished, if a man, by castration, if a woman, by cutting thro' the cartilage of her nose a hole of one half inch diameter at the least.

Delegate Bob Marshall



Kind've gives you some insight into the motivations behind this legislation, eh???


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posted 13 November 2005 01:12 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
*bump*
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posted 13 November 2005 03:48 PM      Profile for M. Spector   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm sure if we looked hard enough we could find excellent reasons for boycotting any state in the union.

Easiest thing to do is just stay the fuck out of the USA.


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Heph, I know a Bishop from Toronto from the 'Old Order Roman Catholic'. They are quite progressive. "he's an Old Roman Catholic" made me laugh.
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Heph, I know a Bishop from Toronto from the 'Old Order Roman Catholic'. They are quite progressive. "he's an Old Roman Catholic" made me laugh.
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posted 13 November 2005 07:44 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yaaa, I don't know much about the Old Catholics, but from what little I've seen/read they seem pretty progressive.
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quote:
(He really IS an Archbishop, in the "Old Catholic Church", which I admit I had never heard of before "Archie" — as I call him — started posting at 365gay.com and I got to know him... He's in the "Benedictine Order of St. John the Beloved", and yes, he's openly gay)

The Old Catholic Church broke away from the Roman Pontiff during the late 19th century when Pius IX forced everyone at Vatican I to accept the definition of Papal infallibility. They're a rather small denomination and I wouldn't exactly call them, in general, "gay friendly" as their website indicates that they don't ordain homosexuals nor do they perform same-sex blessings or marriages.


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posted 13 November 2005 09:49 PM      Profile for Hephaestion   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
their website indicates that they don't ordain homosexuals


Then how did Mr. Simpson, who is gay, get to be an Archbishop in the Old Catholic church???

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Then how did Mr. Simpson, who is gay, get to be an Archbishop in the Old Catholic church???

The situation is probably like what's happening in the Anglican Church right now; there's a division over the issue, but the status quo remains the official position.

That being said, Old Catholics are much more 'progressive' than the Catholic Church. For example, they favour the ordination of women and by the looks of it, they don't care about contraception like Catholics do.


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I drove through Virginia a few times, and stayed in the small city of Winchester VA (hometown of Patsy Cline). Winchester felt like a liberal bastion in a conservative state. Richmond - I couldn't wait to get out of that place. Tobacco capitalists.
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Heph, I know a Bishop from Toronto from the 'Old Order Roman Catholic'. They are quite progressive. "he's an Old Roman Catholic" made me laugh.

The official Old Catholics broke away in 1878 after the Pope declared the doctirne of papal infallibility(which happened in 1870). Hence, the "Old" designation. They preferred the way the church was before 1870.

However, according to wikipedia:

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The term 'Old Catholic' is used often by many splinter groups, ranging from 'Continuing' or 'Traditionalist' to 'New Age'. Many of these so-called Old Catholic Churches are gatherings of clergy without congregations, and some exist only on the Internet. Although the Bishops of many of these groups can trace lines of Apostolic Succession through Old Catholic Churches, most of these are regarded as Episcopi vagantes by the churches of the Utrecht Union.



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quote:
Originally posted by The Green Bastard:
Famous gay Virginians???

I dunno....Jefferson Davis?


Jefferson Davis was neither gay nor Virginian.


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AOL and Yahoo have their servers in VA. And isnt jack Daniels there too? Or is that a different lynchburg?
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quote:
Originally posted by Bacchus:
AOL and Yahoo have their servers in VA. And isnt jack Daniels there too? Or is that a different lynchburg?

Oh, no, no, there's just the one. My mother was born and raised there. And wow, she absorbed some powerful progressive ideas-- mostly about "orientals," for some reason.


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Damn! I use Yahoo all the time. Not good. Wonder why they're not on that list... Anyone have (or know where could be gotten) a comprehensive list of Virginia companies?

(And I hate Jack Daniels anyway. Makes me ill.)

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Then Jack Daniels seems to have moved to Lynchburg, Tennessee.

I would have thought the label would have been a tipoff ("Jack Daniels No 7 Tennessee Whisky").


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quote:
Originally posted by Mr. Magoo:
Then Jack Daniels seems to have moved to Lynchburg, Tennessee.

I would have thought the label would have been a tipoff ("Jack Daniels No 7 Tennessee Whisky").


Oh. Well, then, I, uhhh... never mind.


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quote:
Originally posted by swallow:

There's some inspiring fightback against this new law -- including by Governor Warner.[/URL]



That there is, swallow...


Virginia Governor Mark Warner bans gay discrimination




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Legislatively speaking, Virginia is the most homophobic state in America. That's what makes it particular interesting that Governor Mark Warner, pictured, who is seeking the Democratic Presidential Nomination for 2008 by the way, quietly amended an executive order that for the first time explicitly bans Virginia state agencies from discriminating against gays in hiring and promotions. The policy went into effect immediately and incoming Governor Timothy Kaine plans to continue the policy by signing the same executive order when he is inaugurated January 14. Unsurprisingly, legislators and wingnuts are already vowing to overturn it.

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Mixed messages from new guv'ner

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Timothy M. Kaine was sworn in as Virginia's 70th governor at a ceremony at the Colonial Capitol in historic Williamsburg on the weekend.  

His first official act was to extend an executive order signed by his predecessor, Mark R. Warner, that makes it illegal for the state government or agencies to discriminate against gays and lesbians.  Both Kaine and Warner are Democrats 

While signing the order was the first thing on Kaine's agenda it was one of Warner's last acts as governor.

But despite supporting equality in the workplace for state employees, Kaine said after the signing that he would put his name to legislation aimed at amending the Virginia Constitution to ban same-sex marriage. Kaine said he opposes both gay marriage and civil unions.



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