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evenflow
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posted 20 June 2003 11:21 AM      Profile for evenflow        Edit/Delete Post
US Troops 'Shoot Civilians'

The major news companies, in particular CNN and Fox, are certainly doing a great job of giving us the G-rated, sanitized version of the US occupation of Iraq. The actual underlying chaos seems to be getting worse and worse.


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Hawkins
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posted 20 June 2003 05:48 PM      Profile for Hawkins     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Guess what CNN is already tryin to bring in the prime time $$$ on sunday with their own dramatic stories from the front, Hollywood style.

They want us to cry for American soldiers who say the worst thing in their life over there, what about the thousands of iraqi soldiers? Oh wait they get to go unpaid, have their houses destroyed some with family killed, some without food, see their friends massacured, now serving under their dominators, and when they ask for the basics of life they got shot at? I am to shed a tear for the American soldiers as invaders and feel a sense of patriotism and be proud of their heroics? No one will blame me if I wont be watching CNN (like I do that now..)


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kiowa
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posted 20 June 2003 09:13 PM      Profile for kiowa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
You know what we can do with CNN? Wip our butts with it. Ditto the NYT. In many ways the Guardian is antithetical to my way of thinking, but at least they have the balls and the integrity to pull a story and unconditionally apologize when they are caught red-handed.

That being said, I fully expect the current US Administration to be held to the same standard. Once the smoke clears we'll get to the truth.

Now here is the truth re "shooting civilians" from a twice-decorated, two-war veteran:

It is antithetical to everything the US Military is taught to believe in. Don't believe me? Read our traing manuals. Attend our open training exercises. Accompany us as an embedded journalist. There are many ways you can get to know the men and women of the US Army and other divisions. Similarly, you can meet Canadian troops easily if you make the effort. I guarantee you not very many of them want to shoot civilians. Hell, civilians in Toronto or New York do a good enough job of killing each other as it is.

Bottom line: one of the primary aims of 21st century US military policy is to avoid civilian casualties at all costs.

This is VERY DIFFICULT when you are in a region where 0.01% of the people are willing to drive trucks laden with explosives into your checkpoints, or to hug you just as they set off the satchel charge stapped to the small of their back with duct tape.

In a region like that some innocent people do get killed. If we were not there many MORE innocent people would be killed by now due to Saddam. Not to mention those who survived his paroxysms of blind murderous rage would not be able to sift through the sands of the Euphrates River Delta for the bones of their brothers and sisters.

The thing about WWII is that nearly everyone was involved in trying to defeat evil. Today "men" can sit on a $1,200 chair on the 22nd floor of the Prudential Building in Boston and cast aspersions at the returning soldiers getting off the train at South Station.

All within view of the Bunker Hill Memorial.


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posted 20 June 2003 10:34 PM      Profile for Jingles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Today "men" can sit on a $1,200 chair on the 22nd floor of the Prudential Building in Boston and cast aspersions at the returning soldiers getting off the train at South Station.

I'll just sit in my $12.00 chair and cast aspersions on your murderous thug comrades. Your military is commiting crimes against humanity, so cry me a fucking river that someone calls you cowards bad names.

Don't even try to equate yourself with those who fought WWII. Most of those were conscripts, and most of them got through the 3-5 years of war without crying their eyes out that they should be home to their Burger Kings and MTV after 4 months of slaughtering civilians. But at least Iraqis can rejoice that those killing them now are actually saving them.


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kiowa
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posted 20 June 2003 10:42 PM      Profile for kiowa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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I'll just sit in my $12.00 chair and cast aspersions on your murderous thug comrades

Jingles, you are not fully a man. A man is alaways prepared to back words like that up with personal representation. The Internet has allowed the lowliest among us to become loudmouths. I am explicitly not threatening you with any physical harm. However, I will gladly exchange privately a place where we might meet so that I can prove to you that I am not as you alledge. I am ready and willing to travel.

Put up. Or shut up. Or I'll call a lawyer on Monday, so help me God.


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Jingles
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posted 20 June 2003 11:14 PM      Profile for Jingles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Some folks are born made to wave the flag,
Ooh, they're red, white and blue.
And when the band plays "Hail to the chief",
Ooh, they point the cannon at you, Lord,

It ain't me,
it ain't me,
I ain't no senator's son, son.
It ain't me,
it ain't me;
I ain't no fortunate one, no,

Yeah!
Some folks are born silver spoon in hand,
Lord, don't they help themselves, oh.
But when the taxman comes to the door,
Lord, the house looks like a rummage sale, yes,

It ain't me,
it ain't me,
I ain't no millionaire's son, no.
It ain't me,
it ain't me,
I ain't no fortunate one, no.

Some folks inherit star spangled eyes,
Ooh, they send you down to war, Lord,
And when you ask them, "How much should we give?"
Ooh, they only answer More! more! more! yoh,

It ain't me,
it ain't me,
I ain't no military son, son.
It ain't me,
it ain't me,
I ain't no fortunate one, one.

J.C. Fogerty


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WingNut
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posted 20 June 2003 11:18 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Hey, Kiowa, how are you?
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'lance
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posted 20 June 2003 11:20 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
If I had possession
over judgment day
if I had possession
over judgment day
Lord, the little woman I'm lovin' wouldn't
have no right to pray
And I went to the mountain

lookin' far as my eyes could see
And I went to the mountain
lookin' far as my eye could see
Some other man got my woman and the -'a
lonesome blues got me
And I rolled and I tumbled and I

cried the whole night long
And I rolled and I tumbled and I
cried the whole night long
Boy, I woke up this mornin'
my biscuit roller gone
Had to fold my arms and I
slowly walked away
spoken: I didn't like the way she done
Had to fold my arms and I
slowly walked away
I said in my mind, "Yo,"
trouble gon' come some day
Now run here, baby
set down on my knee
I wanna tell you all about the
way they treated me


Robert Johnson


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Hawkins
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posted 20 June 2003 11:29 PM      Profile for Hawkins     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Kiowa, thats not being a man. Being a man is having male sexual organs: penis and testicles aswells as a few other differences from being a female.

Doesn't matter how one wishes to face a problem, you merely are picking a challenge that you believe you can win. That isn't being a man that is just being competitive, though I doubt (for male purposes) that it will impress very many females... Not a very good choice for mating, try to show your feathers in a different way?

It is obvious though you try to deny, you wish a physical confrontation. Given your mental and physical states and elleged training (I shall hold back on a joke pertaining to thread topic) it likely would be unwise for many "average" people to meet you in any form of heated debate. It would be foolish and rather stupid to do so for an individual. It may even remove them from the sexual competition which, would be very stupid and therefore very unmanly. So maybe it is best to prove one's manhood, or rather keep it, one should just stay at home? You lose nothing by sitting there critizing and crying. You may lose a bit more then that by coming up here and causing any form of trouble.


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No Yards
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posted 21 June 2003 12:54 AM      Profile for No Yards   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Kiowa, YOU were "twice decorated"??? By who, your effen lawyer??

Is that how a "real man" handles debate in the USofA?? Threathen law suits??

Where did you learn that "battle technique"??


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kiowa
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posted 21 June 2003 12:59 AM      Profile for kiowa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
First of all, it is "by whom".

The answer to your semi-literate question is: the People of the United States.


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kiowa
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posted 21 June 2003 01:04 AM      Profile for kiowa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
De Oppresso Liber
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Albireo
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posted 21 June 2003 01:14 AM      Profile for Albireo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Is that supposed to be the motto of the current Iraqi resistance?
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kiowa
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posted 21 June 2003 01:18 AM      Profile for kiowa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
It is a longtitudinal goal. To free people from oppressors is the highest goal of a fighting force. Plunder is the lowest.

We shoot straight. And High.


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kiowa
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posted 21 June 2003 01:21 AM      Profile for kiowa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Hawkins:

You are your own self-parody. If you were drafted as your forefathers were, you would probably be sucked into an exhaust.

(I've seen 4 kids killed that way, and 2 killed by rotor blades).

Your soft life over the past 40 years is thanks to hard men like me.

P.S. You don't get sucked "into an exhaust". You get sucked through the exhaust (i.e., your body is pulped) vs. into an intake, where survival is possible, but probably not desirable given...

Alright. Enough.

Go to bed, Kiowa.

[ 21 June 2003: Message edited by: kiowa ]


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posted 21 June 2003 01:32 AM      Profile for Albireo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Your soft life over the past 40 years is thanks to hard men like me.
kiowa, "hard" is not a virtue, outside of a porn film.

You think you were fighting for a higher ideal, but you were just fighting for greedy and misguided oil-mongering liars.

If you want to point the finger at "softies" point it right at the likes of Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz and Perl.

Are they, in your opinion, "real" men?

[ 21 June 2003: Message edited by: albireo ]


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kiowa
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posted 21 June 2003 01:32 AM      Profile for kiowa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Look, guys. I don't come here to fight with you dudes. Physically I'd wallop Jingles in 30-45 seconds. But intellectually...

Jingles, Dude, why do you hate me so much?

You have to at least admit that there are murderous, horrible regimes. Whether they are historical examples like the Nazis or the Khmer Rouge--can we at least agree that you don't support those extremes?

Cuz right now, dude, you come off a lot like one of the people we are trained to be wary of.


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posted 21 June 2003 01:37 AM      Profile for kiowa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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kiowa, "hard" is not a virtue, outside of a porn film.

Man you set yourself up:

I would not want to be your wife/girfriend/lover


You guys might find this surprising, but I (among many other Americans) cheered the breakthrough that Canada scored on the Gay Marriage issue.

When are y'all gonna learn? We are fighting for those values. We're up against the Mullahs (and ultimately the Xian preachers).


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Albireo
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posted 21 June 2003 01:38 AM      Profile for Albireo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
kiowa, what led you to the military?

I am genuinely curious. At what point in your life was that choice made, and why?

You seem like a person with some gifts that would be best realized in a different career.


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Albireo
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posted 21 June 2003 01:41 AM      Profile for Albireo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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I would not want to be your wife/girfriend/lover.
I wouldn't want that, either.

You see, there is plenty we can agree on.

[ 21 June 2003: Message edited by: albireo ]


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No Yards
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posted 21 June 2003 01:43 AM      Profile for No Yards   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
So sue me mr. pedantic!! That is what you do best is it not?

quote:
, or to hug you just as they set off the satchel charge stapped to the small of their back with duct tape.

I take it since you always use perfect grammar, the duct tape actually had more to do with Iraqi backs, and was not used as a means to strap the charges as one might first assume??


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kiowa
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posted 21 June 2003 01:48 AM      Profile for kiowa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
albeiro:

Thanks for the civil response.

I'll compose my thoughts and try to answer as best I can.

(More to follow...)


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Jingles
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posted 21 June 2003 01:54 AM      Profile for Jingles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Now when I was a little boy,
At the age of five,
I had somethin' in my pocket,
Keep a lot of folks alive.

Now I'm a man,
Made twenty-one,
You know baby,
We can have a lot of fun.

I'm a man,
I spell M-A-N...man.

All you pretty women,
Stand in line,
I can make love to you baby,
In an hour's time.

I'm a man,
I spell M-A-N...man.

I goin' back down,
To Kansas to
Bring back the second cousin,
Little John the conqueroo.

I'm a man,
I spell M-A-N...man.


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kiowa
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posted 21 June 2003 01:58 AM      Profile for kiowa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I became invloved in "the man" long after I was a late 1970's hemp-smoking hippie. I was a pretty hard-core leftist as a teenager (hence my attraction to this board). I smoked dope, had lots of sex, subscribed to the prevailing political wind, etc. My life was trasformed in a most pedestrian manner. At 19 I witnessed my Dad leap a rather pathetic Mall divider and administer Mouth-To-Mouth (as it was called in those days) to an elderly black gnetleman whose head had not yet cracked on the floor before my father's form was in full flight.

That combination of saving people under lightning-quick and dire circumstances survives today in me. BTW I'll risk my status and tell you that a lot of grunts were pissed off at the Pentagon's handling of JL.

Bottom line, son, is that either you are ready to die for a 4-year old Paraguayan child today, right now, soldier. Either that or you are not US Army.

Partial answer. But thanks for treating me as human, albeiro.


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posted 21 June 2003 02:02 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Don't have any good songs for you people, unfortunately, but instead, I give you...

The Diels-Alder Reactions

In 1950, Diels and Alder were awarded a Nobel Prize in Chemistry for their work on a class of reactions which, at the time, were called "reactions of dienes and dienophiles", which, in time, simply became called Diels-Alder Cycloadditions or similar names.

A conjugated diene, in simplest form, is a compound with two double bonds separated by one single bond. It is generally electron-rich.

A dienophile is generally a compound with one double bond, and with a group that is electron deficient or in some way has lower electron density than that of the diene. This creates a partially polarized pi system.

The reaction is simple, and occurs in one step. This preserves all features of the molecules in the reaction since no rearrangements occur in either reactant before product formation.

The main advantage of Diels-Alder reactions is that they are completely reversible, and in some cases the reaction conditions can be manipulated to favor one sort of product over another, generally referred to as the endo or exo adducts when dealing with bicyclic formation.


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kiowa
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posted 21 June 2003 02:03 AM      Profile for kiowa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Do you guys realize that I could get in major shit for this? The offical line is the same as it has been since Paleolithic times: we raise and maintain an amred force to repel outsiders.

Even Jaded Jingles must snese the change. We're not about killing outsiders any more. We're about helping them. Insert Capitalist Borg joke here.


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kiowa
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posted 21 June 2003 02:07 AM      Profile for kiowa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
DrConway:

I'm aware of the tactic on this board of killing trolls and/or avoiding uncomfortable arguments by posting nonsense as a sort of refined "plonk".

In the case of your last post Sir, what seperates this particlar nonsense from your usual variety?


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posted 21 June 2003 02:16 AM      Profile for Jingles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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We're not about killing outsiders any more. We're about helping them.

Killing outsiders?
My dog, you did smoke a lot of dope, didn't you?


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posted 21 June 2003 02:22 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by kiowa:
DrConway:

I'm aware of the tactic on this board of killing trolls and/or avoiding uncomfortable arguments by posting nonsense as a sort of refined "plonk".


Actually, I am proud to say that I have never "plonked" anyone on here. I say that because I think I've got a high enough threshold for silliness that I don't yet need to actually tell someone that I think they're being too silly for words.

In your particular case, you misinterpreted the thrust of my informative essay on the Diels-Alder Reactions. I was pointing out, in my own way, that this thread had degenerated into personal mudslinging and threats of lawsuits, et cetera, which do not promote rational discussion.

Contrariwise it's pretty hard to get worked up over chemistry.


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al-Qa'bong
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posted 21 June 2003 02:23 AM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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All within view of the Bunker Hill Memorial.

Say Mac, you're yapping on a Board in a country that was in part founded by Loyalists. Your propaganda icons don't quite resonate here.

Carry on.


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posted 21 June 2003 02:54 AM      Profile for Jingles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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A dienophile is generally a compound with one double bond, and with a group that is electron deficient

How dare you impunge the good name of those Cycloadditions! Calling these obviously troubled compounds "deficient" from the comfort of your $20.00 lab coat is the height of slander that will just polarize the community! Sure, they like dienes, but to slur them with "dienophile" is to imply something indecent! I'm calling my lawyer. You, Dr. Conway, just crossed a line.


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In your particular case, you misinterpreted the thrust of my informative essay on the Diels-Alder Reactions.

OK. So "Dr." Conway, what is it that you do, exaclty? I ask this only becaue the US Army actually has a matching algorithm in order to shred phony Phd's and the like. Check it out if you like. The engine is made by Trillium. It's sourced by Harte-Hanks.

Still with me, Dude? We're closin' in on you.

In a good way, of course.


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kiowa
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posted 21 June 2003 03:06 AM      Profile for kiowa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Jingles,

Whatever you meant by that incoherent dribble, I take it you do not want to meet me physically just yet.

Fine. Can we please try for some sort of mutual respect on this board?


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posted 21 June 2003 03:12 AM      Profile for Albireo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Blessed are the peacemakers...

[ 21 June 2003: Message edited by: albireo ]


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posted 21 June 2003 03:14 AM      Profile for Jingles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I thought you were sending in your lawyers?

Give it a rest, tough guy.

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posted 21 June 2003 03:35 AM      Profile for kiowa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
All right Jingles. I'll give it a rest. Just back off on the rhetoric, OK. My nigga went down on 2May.

Just. stop. Alright?


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posted 21 June 2003 03:37 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by kiowa:
OK. So "Dr." Conway, what is it that you do, exaclty? I ask this only becaue the US Army actually has a matching algorithm in order to shred phony Phd's and the like. Check it out if you like. The engine is made by Trillium. It's sourced by Harte-Hanks.

I've explained before that my handle is derived from an Isaac Asimov series of some obscurity, the Lucky Starr series.

I actually do plan to get a doctorate, not that it's any of your beeswax necessarily.


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I can't get this shit out of my head man.

Jingles you are way off Dude. I'm fucking crying as I type this. I'm not tough. I know how to do what I was trined to do. I know how to be ruthless because otherwise you're dead.

But I can't get help it. That image of that truck on the ring road. Big shitty truck full of men. All of them very, very angry and firing wildly.


In a few seconds... comfortably numb... that's what was on the bb in the backseat.

5 hydras. Shit Jingles. You have no fucking idea man. You live in Toronto. Just shut up OK?


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posted 21 June 2003 03:48 AM      Profile for kiowa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
God in Heaven forgive me for taking those men. Please God.

I can't talk to the Chaplain: he's nut's


I can't do this shit any more. I saw a 2100 hr. NG pilot crack up last week.


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posted 21 June 2003 03:54 AM      Profile for Jingles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Sooooo....Dr Conway, how's the weather in Vancouver?

(as this cwazy thread enters it's final, gasping, dying sputters. *fingers crossed*)


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posted 21 June 2003 04:03 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Rainy.
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posted 21 June 2003 04:04 AM      Profile for kiowa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
DrConway:

Sorry. Really cheap shot against you. Jingles had me riled.


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posted 21 June 2003 04:17 AM      Profile for kiowa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Jingles,

Since you are a small man (if you are a man at all; if a woman I suppose this applies as well) and are incapable of offering an apology (during my time on this board you and your comrades have been almost uniformly wicked) I offer you a Canadian sentiment:

quote:
Here's to the few who forgive what you do
and the fewer who don't even care
--Leonard Cohen "The Night Comes On"



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Jingles
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posted 21 June 2003 04:20 AM      Profile for Jingles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Rainy here too. I was out there 2 weeks ago during the hot spell. It was fantastic. But why don't Vancouver drivers stop for pedestrians? I had to dodge traffic at every intersection, and that was with the lights.

I have no idea what the weather is like in Toronto.

Kiowa is a Cohen fan!?! Holy dogshit, who'da thunk it. I like this one:

quote:
It's coming from the sorrow in the street,
the holy places where the races meet;
from the homicidal bitchin'
that goes down in every kitchen
to determine who will serve and who will eat.
From the wells of disappointment
where the women kneel to pray
for the grace of God in the desert here
and the desert far away:
Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.

(L. Cohen)

Impunge my manhood all you want brother, it doesn't bother me (Recall, however that it is you making the threats through the long, anonymous distance of the internet, not I). Call me anything you want too. I won't call my lawyer.

[ 21 June 2003: Message edited by: Jingles ]


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kiowa
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posted 21 June 2003 04:21 AM      Profile for kiowa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Re the above:

By "comrades" I don't mean the bulk of the people here. I mean realy nasty, insulting, potentially dangerous people who shoud be trached by CIA idiots. People like 'Slnatnce for example. Hash code, make it easy. Fishina brrl.


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al-Qa'bong
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posted 21 June 2003 04:23 AM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Sssssomebody's gettin' ready to hurl a pussycat....
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kiowa
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posted 21 June 2003 04:29 AM      Profile for kiowa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
OK. Maybe I have to cut back on the dosage a bit. But goddam Jingles you'd get yersself killed for, like 1 1/100th of what you said to me in the real world. (Try telling that to a Sudanese Lord: instant death).

You don't have enough actual life experience Jingles. In a weird way I think we could be--well, not friends--but at least not enemies.

I've got a bunch of seats empty at the Louisville Air Show (not yet filled by yelling 19-year-old idiots from Iowa who drive the mic level into the distortion zone).

What do you you say son? Wanna see the world from my perspective?


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al-Qa'bong
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posted 21 June 2003 04:35 AM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
From the empty seats?
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posted 21 June 2003 04:44 AM      Profile for kiowa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
One at a time.
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al-Qa'bong
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posted 21 June 2003 04:53 AM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
On the subject of litigation, kiowa, have you considered suing the people who messed you up so bad?

I bet you'd be a right guy if you weren't such a basket case.


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posted 21 June 2003 05:03 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by al-Qa'bong:
Sssssomebody's gettin' ready to hurl a pussycat....

Pseudofelinoids Anonymous will be lodging a complaint with the appropriate authorities about instances of cat tossing.


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al-Qa'bong
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posted 21 June 2003 05:10 AM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Hang on. I thought midget tossing was banned. Cat juggling, meanwhile, is one of those grey legal areas, and I nevertheless didn't use the word "juggle." I must admit, however, to inching towards crossing the line. I wonder about myself sometimes.

Speaking of nigletizing, if anyone said that any other someone around here was an dirty so and so, could he be sued for libel or slander or something?

Would his or her babble handle have to do community service or pay a fine?


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posted 21 June 2003 05:33 AM      Profile for kiowa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Aw fuck guys. I'd love to diddle some more. But I've got grown-up things to do. See you in a few weeks.

Oh, and Mssrs Quabong, Lance, Jingles, Et Al, you'll have that definitive, non-flatulent solution to world harmony avialble when I get back, right?

Jesus. If there was just one man among you I'd be more interested. As it is, I dunno If I'm coming back to this board. Some Iranian kids have poked a hole through the state firewall. My services (how to file down a breech nub on a circa 1970 M16 and modify the mag feed slider for full auto, etc.) are much more worthwile there.

You know. The rest of the world. Not Canada. Not your tired pathetic ramblings.

(Not that that's a bad thing...)


Cheers, "men".


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al-Qa'bong
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posted 21 June 2003 05:45 AM      Profile for al-Qa'bong   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Whoppie ti, yi yo.

There he go boys, ridin' off inta the sunset, leavin' us town folk a' wonderin' just what causes a feller ta go all screwy like that.

Wellsir, can't say as I'll miss his psychotic jawin', but he made me chuckle, shore 'nuff.

quote:
Do you guys realize that I could get in major shit for this?

We knew he was a cute little feller, but shucks, he was brave, too!

[ 21 June 2003: Message edited by: al-Qa'bong ]


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posted 21 June 2003 09:04 AM      Profile for kiowa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Qa Bong:

Thanks for the parting thoughts. I'll be sure to tell my Amry buddies about what a nice, brave bunch of guys you Candians are.

Next time bring your own guns though, OK? Showing up with towells, cigs and a New Brunswick accent doesn't go too far in the hills surrounding Kandahar.

We had to protect the Germans from themslelves--and the Russians to boot--for 5 decades. I suppose Canada has...well...what the frick do you guys have anyway? Why are you even a country?


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posted 21 June 2003 09:26 AM      Profile for Pimji   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
You have to at least admit that there are murderous, horrible regimes. Whether they are historical examples like the Nazis or the Khmer Rouge--can we at least agree that you don't support those extremes?

Definitely yes. I have daily close contact of survivors who have had first hand contact with both of these groups, after speaking with each, father and my wife, I’ve found that the violence don’t just magically appear. The situations of each are unique and complex and are a mix of extenuating circumstances that take years to gel. Too much to get into in one post, people could write an entire thesis as to how these beliefs transform themselves from an idea and become real in life. The trick is to see it coming and respond in a way that doesn’t get anyone killed.
Sometimes violent force is an option but at the wrong time it just adds fuel to an already smoldering fire. How do these marginal groups, in their infancy, gain momentum and resources and get to a point where they have power?
One way, is that people become driven by a puritanical, economic or religious ideology and believe that they have all the answers and that sacrifices, of others along the way, is the price that must be paid.

I could ramble on. Last week CBC Radio’s, Ideas, ran a 5 hour long series on the life and times of George Orwell. He was no pacifist, he did believe in thoughtful analysis. I also recommend reading Chris Hedges book; War is a Force that Gives Us Meaning.
My two cents


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posted 21 June 2003 10:05 AM      Profile for kiowa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Kiowa wrote the vastly insulting:

quote:
Why are you even a country?

Afterward I got out my CD folder and popped Gordon Lightfoot's first album in. No apologies. That alone justifies Canada. Goddam, that's a moving record.


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posted 21 June 2003 11:15 AM      Profile for Weltschmerz     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
We're a country because of Gordon Lightfoot? This seems both utterly ridiculous and strangely logical.

And I thought this thread couldn't get any more surreal.

Cheers,


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posted 21 June 2003 11:19 AM      Profile for kiowa     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Jingles:

Here's one for you, Dude:

To "Cock the Hammer"
adapted by the 101st

Sgt. Q-bue lead vocal
Minigun on cardboard box.
Cypress Hill, on the bb

Adapt to this startin gat start spin
Now gonna talk 'bout where you bin
Glock tickin smokin get a little help
Comin' up above that hill short Jingle
Jangle down blade stallin clutchin balls
Helmet look away goin down fast fast
Reappearin.

Missed Dude.

Cock the hammer, it's time for action,
Cock the hammer, it's time for action.


So ya wanna fuck rock wit us think punk
Brain splat pow two .25 not worth it, not

Goin' down for one messed hit this
Tit. How could I just killa man?

Outlaw stylye. Cock the ham--
mmmmstrung cuz my rod ain't ready got
5XBitch on hold ain't talkin' chillin'

HBO. Gonna crank glide anyway. I'm a part time
Killa man. Gonna kiss you.

Gonna. Sweet behind. Already over.

Asleep.


(c) 2003 101st Ft. Campbell

[ 21 June 2003: Message edited by: kiowa ]


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Jacob Two-Two
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posted 21 June 2003 11:54 AM      Profile for Jacob Two-Two     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Actually, the reason we're a country is because the US invaded us in 1812 and got their sorry asses kicked like a red-headed stepchild.

But all kidding aside....

Kiowa, I think you should see a therapist, and not a military one. I don't say this because I think you're crazy, but because you've obviously been through a lot, and that's what the profession exists for: to help people deal with crazy shit. You say the chaplain is no help and I'm not surprised. Even if he were a good chaplain, I daresay he's well overworked these days.

There's nothing manly about buttoning up and confronting your demons all alone. That kind of attitude is part of why the world is in such a mess. Get yourself a professional who can steer you through the rocks. I think you'll find it rewarding, and with any luck you can get off the drugs real soon like which is something you definitely want to do.


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Michelle
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posted 21 June 2003 01:54 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Jingles:
I'll just sit in my $12.00 chair and cast aspersions on your murderous thug comrades. Your military is commiting crimes against humanity, so cry me a fucking river that someone calls you cowards bad names.

Jingles, lay off the personal attacks against kiowa. That was uncalled for.

quote:
Jingles, you are not fully a man. A man is alaways prepared to back words like that up with personal representation. The Internet has allowed the lowliest among us to become loudmouths. I am explicitly not threatening you with any physical harm. However, I will gladly exchange privately a place where we might meet so that I can prove to you that I am not as you alledge. I am ready and willing to travel.

Put up. Or shut up. Or I'll call a lawyer on Monday, so help me God.


Kiowa, I realize that what Jingles wrote was provoking, but if you want to issue personal challenges, please take it to private mail.

And everyone else. Good grief. I'm not even going to bother quoting everything everyone else wrote since the thread has just gone completely downhill since the first few posts. But honestly. I think everyone here realizes that kiowa, by his own admission, is dealing with some major stuff after his experiences. Is it really that satisfying egging him on and getting into a flame war with him?

I'm closing this thread since it's not going to get any better.


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