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Author Topic: What Kind of a Plain-Jane Victory Is This?
Tommy M
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posted 29 April 2003 03:35 PM      Profile for Tommy M     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:

“I will never forget the image of the statue of Saddam Hussein falling,” a deadpan grim-faced Bush told a crowd of overexcited journalists on the day US Marines poured into the capital.

(...)

Unlike Bush, what we will never forget is not the image of Saddam Hussein’s statue falling, but rather the countless images of dead and injured children littering the streets and highways and hospitals of Iraq, images that have been likened to scenes from the Crimean War. What can ever erase the sight of severed heads, incinerated corpses, scattered brains on bloody pavements, and the horror of a woman and her three children being burned alive inside their car in front of stricken pedestrians and motorists? What can ever blot out the screams of a three-year-old Iraqi girl desperately trying to endure the agonizing pain of the surgeon’s needle as he sewed up the rest of her disfigured stitched-up face?

How can we forget missiles slamming into crowded apartment complexes, into family homes, market places, restaurants, roadside cafes and hospitals in Al-Mansour, Al-Shaab, Al-Nasr, and Al-Dora? How can we forget the grizzly scenes in Hilla, 160 kilometers from Baghdad, where TV footage showed an angry father piling a burned and mangled infant onto a truckload of dismembered women and children? Roland Huguenin, one of the six International Red Cross workers in Iraq, described the horrific scene at Hilla Hospital to Canadian TV: “In the case of Hilla, everybody had very serious wounds and many, many of them small kids and women. We had small toddlers of two or three years of age who had lost their legs, their arms. We have called this a horror.”


Afnan Fatani, Special to Arab News


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leftover
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posted 29 April 2003 03:47 PM      Profile for leftover     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What emotional, exaggerated rubbish
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ronb
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posted 29 April 2003 03:50 PM      Profile for ronb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What a carefully reasoned response.
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Black Dog
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posted 29 April 2003 03:52 PM      Profile for Black Dog   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Can make an omlette and so forth, eh, leftover?
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Jacob Two-Two
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posted 29 April 2003 04:04 PM      Profile for Jacob Two-Two     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wonder if this would still be emotional exaggerated rubbish if it happened to you or the ones you love. I suspect not. Or if Saddam was responsible for it instead of the good ol' US.
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sheep
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posted 29 April 2003 04:12 PM      Profile for sheep     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Funny how Fatani doesn't remember these images much when fellow Arabs were causing the countless headless children littering the Iraqi roadsides.
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WingNut
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posted 29 April 2003 04:13 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
When was that? Can you link those images?
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WingNut
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posted 29 April 2003 04:16 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Knowing your great concern for human rights sheep, I thought you might find this interesting:
quote:
In 2001 the World Health Organization — the same organization we now count on to protect us from SARS — called for a program to fight infectious diseases in poor countries, arguing that it would save the lives of millions of people every year. The U.S. share of the expenses would have been about $10 billion per year — a small fraction of what we will spend on war and occupation. Yet the Bush administration contemptuously dismissed the proposal.

Or consider one of America's first major postwar acts of diplomacy: blocking a plan to send U.N. peacekeepers to Ivory Coast (a former French colony) to enforce a truce in a vicious civil war. The U.S. complains that it will cost too much. And that must be true — we wouldn't let innocent people die just to spite the French, would we?

So it seems that our deep concern for the Iraqi people doesn't extend to suffering people elsewhere. I guess it's just a matter of emphasis. A cynic might point out, however, that saving lives peacefully doesn't offer any occasion to stage a victory parade.


src: http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/29/opinion/29KRUG.html



Yeah, I can just feel the compassion oozing from the oil fields now.

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Chickenbum
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posted 29 April 2003 04:41 PM      Profile for Chickenbum     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Horrific. Just like the massacre in the Congo last week. The Belgian Congo. Huh?
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WingNut
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posted 29 April 2003 04:51 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Belgium Congo has existed since, I believe, 1960.
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'lance
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posted 29 April 2003 05:28 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Er... don't you mean "has been independent since 1960," Wing? It became a Belgian possession sometime in the 19th century.
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lagatta
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posted 29 April 2003 05:43 PM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Worse still. The country now known as the Democratic republic of Congo, and as Zaire under Mobutu, was the PERSONAL POSSESSION of the King of Belgium. This huge central African country (Congo-Kinshasa, as opposed to the smaller Republic of Congo, Congo-Brazzaville) was the site of some of the worst human rights violations of the 19th century, mass murders of genocidal proportions. This article seems a fairly good summary. http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/sep1999/king-s06_prn.shtml

The current situation in both Congos, whose capitals face each other across the River Congo, is very, very bleak.


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Thehellyousay
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posted 29 April 2003 05:47 PM      Profile for Thehellyousay        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I like to see all those arabs pulling together. It's funny how the threat of the Great Satan makes all arabs brothers, isn't it?

And as soon as he leaves, it's back to killing isrealis and your arab neighbors...truly sad...


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ronb
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posted 29 April 2003 06:26 PM      Profile for ronb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hey aren't the fucking idiot who took exception to being tagged as a racist over in another thread? Gues what, mouth-breather, your last post is text-book racism. Fuck off.

Have a nice life, troll.


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Markbo
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posted 29 April 2003 06:53 PM      Profile for Markbo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
fellow Arabs were causing the countless headless children littering the Iraqi roadsides.
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When was that? Can you link those images?

Of course its difficult to link those images when there was no freedom of the press then as there is now.

Are you denying that Saddam is not responsible for the countless deaths of children?

How about the stories we hear how children were sent to their deaths walking through Minefields in the Iran/Iraq conflict with a copy of the Koran to clear the way for soldiers.

Deaths that would still be occuring under Saddam's rule. Didn't you yourself endorse the figure of 500,000 which translated into 3,000 children under 5 who died each month under Saddam's rule.

Thats 3,000 children per month who may have a hope to reach their teenage years for the first time in over a decade.


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sheep
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posted 29 April 2003 07:34 PM      Profile for sheep     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wingnut doesn't care about children's lives Markbo, it's all about the imperialism! Just think of those "alleged" murdered children under Hussein as collateral damage in the war against American imperialism.

Thanks for the article, btw, Wingnut. I knew you'd start to give a shit about the Congo as soon as you could find an anti-US angle to get those crocodile tears rolling!


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Markbo
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posted 29 April 2003 07:47 PM      Profile for Markbo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow, nice article Wingnut

How about this one

quote:
AIDS activists, including international rock star Bono, are hailing the legislation and the president for shining the spotlight on the issue.

"This event at the White House shows how the president's renewed and reinvigorated leadership on AIDS is matched by leaders on both sides of Congress and the leadership of the American people," said U2 lead singer Bono, founder of the group Debt, Trade, AIDS and Africa.


I guess there's a side of the story you don't report.


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audra trower williams
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posted 29 April 2003 07:52 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Wingnut doesn't care about children's lives Markbo

That's it! I'm so sick of this behaviour.


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Wankity
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posted 29 April 2003 07:56 PM      Profile for Wankity        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I knew you'd start to give a shit about the Congo as soon as you could find an anti-US angle to get those crocodile tears rolling!

Bravo...Bravo.


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