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xrcrguy
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posted 04 December 2002 11:49 PM      Profile for xrcrguy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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The man died at the base hospital after being transferred there from the detention facility, they said.



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I'm concerned that they can conduct their own autopsies. What would Geneva say if they followed it?

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minigun
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posted 05 December 2002 12:00 AM      Profile for minigun     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What would Canadians say if we started sending troops into Canada in order to rescue Inuits in places like Davis Inlet who according to the UNHRC are the victims of "gross human rights abuse by Canada"?

Maybe we should. Maybe you should have to take some criticism for once instead of just dishing it out. I wonder if we could get a UN resolution against Canada?


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Briguy
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posted 05 December 2002 12:03 AM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I hope you do. Our government has no political will to correct that atrocity (unless you count moving people across the bay as political will).

Meanwhile, I will lobby the US government to keep their ever-lovin' mitts off Lula in Brazil (c'mon, people, you know it's just a matter of time...).


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Smith
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posted 05 December 2002 12:04 AM      Profile for Smith     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You think we don't get criticised? What about friggin' Pat Buchanan and the National Review?

I'm really sorry we don't get criticised for toppling democracies to set up dictatorships, bombing people to shit, detaining hundreds of people without charge, and executing prisoners, including the underage and the mentally disabled. The UN has really been asleep at the wheel.

[ December 05, 2002: Message edited by: Smith ]


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minigun
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posted 05 December 2002 12:44 AM      Profile for minigun     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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You think we don't get criticised? What about friggin' Pat Buchanan and the National Review?

Pat Buchanan is a blithering idiot and hardly anyone takes him seriously in the US except hard core right-wing Christians. So why should you be insulted by what that gasbag says?

National Review? It's one magazine, who cares?

Now the US, we get slagged on every forum, in every magazine, on every TV station in every country on earth every day.

Some of that we deserve, but not all of it.


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Arch Stanton
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posted 05 December 2002 12:51 AM      Profile for Arch Stanton     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Canadian government is building a new town for the people of Davis Inlet right now.
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Smith
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posted 05 December 2002 07:04 AM      Profile for Smith     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Now the US, we get slagged on every forum, in every magazine, on every TV station in every country on earth every day.

Because what you do affects every country on earth, every day.

That's what happens when you're a superpower. You can either ignore it, or you can bomb the fuck out of us to make us shut up, or you can accept it and do nothing, or you can accept it and try to get something meaningful from it. Depends on what kind of country you want to be.

Right now, as TP said, it looks like you want us to be your sycophants. Doesn't work. We may not have your massive economic and military might, but we are human beings, we have all the rights you have, and we don't like being dominated any more than you would. You may think you own us, and economically you probably do, but we aren't yours.

And we are self-critical. If you cared to venture into some of the regional forums on this board, you'd see that. But it doesn't look to me like you're interested in finding out how we really feel about ourselves so much as complaining about how we feel about you, and getting a few jabs in at our "excessive socialism" while you're at it, even though we're really not that much more socialist than you. The American knee-jerk reaction to anything resembling wealth redistribution (in favour of the poor; wealth redistribution in favour of the wealthy seems to escape your wrath) never ceases to amuse me.

I'm really rather glad you don't seem to hang out on Canada-centric threads here. I don't think you have any respect for our values; I have a feeling you'd come barrelling in and say "this demonstrates the absolute folly of the Canadian way ever differing from the American Way" and expect us all to fall at your feet. You say we'll never understand you; well, in that case, you'll never understand us. We're different. You can blather on about how our system doesn't work all you want, but we've heard it before, and - contrary to American propaganda - we don't think you have any more or better answers than we do.

[ December 05, 2002: Message edited by: Smith ]


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Trinitty
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posted 05 December 2002 10:26 AM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Isn't Davis Inlet being built a brand new town?
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Arch Stanton
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posted 05 December 2002 10:36 AM      Profile for Arch Stanton     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
So I've heard...
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Michelle
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posted 05 December 2002 10:44 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, Arch mentioned that a few posts up, Trinitty.

I have to laugh at people like minigun. Probably the people in Canada that you will see criticizing the most about inhumane living conditions for the poor and marginalized in this country are the people you're reading right here on babble, and people like us Canada-wide. Damn right I want to see the UN pass a resolution about the deplorable state of affairs for the Native people of our nation, because it's not like the government, most of whom are almost as redneck as YOU are, minigun, gives a flying fuck about it otherwise.

You think Canadians aren't self-critical? We're constantly criticizing our government here. That's the difference between Canada and the US, minigun - here in Canada, when you criticize the government, every other person in the country doesn't rise up and call you "anti-American" or "anti-Canadian" and treat you like you just committed treason. People like YOU think the definition of "freedom" that is so worth fighting for is to sit down, shut up, say only what you want to hear, and consume everything you possibly can.


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Briguy
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posted 05 December 2002 10:52 AM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Isn't Davis Inlet being built a brand new town?

Yes, they are. It is behind schedule...but 3/4 of the population will be moved there this month, leaving 1/4 (with reduced services) in the old community. The new community is literally across the bay from the old one, if I'm reading the reports correctly. Makes me wonder how much of an improvement this move will lead to.


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swallow
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posted 05 December 2002 01:01 PM      Profile for swallow     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There is no excuse for what Canada has done to the Innu. None. It is an unambiguous colonial situation with Canada as the imperialist power. The government has not even implemented the recommendations of the Canadian Human Rights Commission. There's a thread on this buried a few pages down.

Innu Nation

That does not excuse the US army from ignoring the Geneva convention, however.


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Smith
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posted 05 December 2002 01:29 PM      Profile for Smith     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That is appalling. I didn't realise - they don't even have Native status! How can a government simply ignore that for so long?

The new community won't be on an island, will it?

As for UN resolutions, damn right I'd like one, if it would help to solve this.


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