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xrcrguy
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posted 02 December 2002 02:57 PM      Profile for xrcrguy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
it's still wreaking havoc
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Michelle
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posted 02 December 2002 03:01 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh my God, that's horrible. I never even heard about it.
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Briguy
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posted 02 December 2002 03:18 PM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Some semi-good news coming out of this: Spain is going to toughen their laws to make single-hulled freighters illegal in their waters.

I hope this applies to Spain's EEZ (200 km (or NM?...can't recall) from shore), and not just the territorial nearshore waters (~7 km from shore, IIRC). I believe France and Holland (?) have already outlawed this class of ship in their waters. Perhaps the EU as a whole should make a move in this direction. Single-hulled carriers are a constant threat to marine life everywhere.


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Trinitty
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posted 02 December 2002 03:22 PM      Profile for Trinitty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Another teeny-tiny bit of good news is a lot has been learned about the best way to deal with oil spills, the Exxon spill sadly taught us that steam-cleaning the shores free of oil is not the route to go.... so, while the devastation may be heavy now, it won't linger for decades as it is in Alaska.

Hey, did you hear about the pumper-tanks they have now, to deal with the pollution? Sucks it out of the water.


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paxamillion
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posted 02 December 2002 03:28 PM      Profile for paxamillion   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Unfortunately, Exxon was "slow to accept" offers of assistance from its Canadian subsidiary, Imperial Oil, who learned a few things about spills and slicks before the Valdez went *crunch.*
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Briguy
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posted 02 December 2002 04:28 PM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Hey, did you hear about the pumper-tanks they have now, to deal with the pollution? Sucks it out of the water.

There were some pumper-tank boats on the scene as the oil seeped to the surface (after the ship cracked in two). Apparantly, they were doing a decent job off mopping stuff up until a new gale fired up. Seems the pumper-tank boats can't operate under heavy seas (which, unfortunately, is when most accidents happen...aside from those incidents stemming from the captain having a few too many).


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SamL
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posted 02 December 2002 10:35 PM      Profile for SamL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Because the purpose of the law is environmental protection, Spain can apply it to their EEZ. The territorial sea is 12 nautical miles from the baseline, and the contiguous zone is another 12 naut. mi. out.
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Briguy
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posted 03 December 2002 08:52 AM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, then, that makes it about as useful as tits on a bull.
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xrcrguy
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posted 03 December 2002 11:22 AM      Profile for xrcrguy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The EEZ or the heavy seas?
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Briguy
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posted 03 December 2002 01:10 PM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The legislation. 12 NM doesn't cut it. International maritime law has some serious flaws (flags of convenience being the major problem).
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SamL
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posted 03 December 2002 01:27 PM      Profile for SamL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The territorial sea, contiguous zone, and EEZ extend progressively further and further away from the baseline. The degree of sovereignty and control diminishes too, but Spain could surely apply this law to its EEZ, because it is covered under what is allowed to be regulated.

What needs to be regulated internationally though, are the high seas. We need to go back to UNCLOS.


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Briguy
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posted 03 December 2002 01:34 PM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I would think so. We (Canada) control environmental and exploitation regulations pertaining to our EEZ. Surely the fitness of ships (especially bulk carriers) can fall under environmental regulations. Hell, wrap it up as a fishery protection matter...I'm sure the Galician fishery will suffer for years because of this mess.
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xrcrguy
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posted 04 December 2002 12:07 AM      Profile for xrcrguy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Fishery protection? It might work, they might even be able to send out their navy to enforce it as well.
Tobin did it for us so there is precedence...

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