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MJ
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posted 19 February 2002 12:25 PM      Profile for MJ     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Click.

Not first yet, but it's only a matter of time. And being second best ever isn't bad after only a year or so in office.


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'lance
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posted 19 February 2002 12:47 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
When he completes his term, no doubt he'll be better than the best.
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posted 19 February 2002 01:17 PM      Profile for SamL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Given the "screw the rest of the world" attitude in the US, that's not unexpected.
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'lance
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posted 19 February 2002 01:25 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wonder what this will do to the campaign for the canonization of Ronald Reagan.

Not content with the surrealistic gesture of having Washington's airport re-named after him, they now want one monument to him, or geographic feature named after him, in every state of the Union.

Well, nobody thinks big like the Americans, I suppose.


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posted 19 February 2002 03:31 PM      Profile for ronb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Forgive my cynicism, but it appears that 80% of Americans, when asked to name their favourite president, name the guy who was in office when they first got laid. And the other 20% can't remember who that was, so they go with the guy who's in there now.
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'lance
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posted 19 February 2002 03:40 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Forgive my cynicism, but it appears that 80% of Americans, when asked to name their favourite president, name the guy who was in office when they first got laid.

You know, I can think of worse criteria.

Good God. I've just realized that the inbumbent of 24 Sussex while I was finally bidding adieu to my chastity was... Brian Mulroney!


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posted 19 February 2002 03:46 PM      Profile for agent007     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I wonder what this will do to the campaign for the canonization of Ronald Reagan.

Not to worry ...

The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences is rumoured to be creating a new category:
The longest portrayal of President ...

Yep, one for the Gipper!


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'lance
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posted 19 February 2002 03:50 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
On this, we can agree. His greatest role ever.
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ronb
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posted 19 February 2002 04:32 PM      Profile for ronb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I preferred him in The Killers.
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Victor Von Mediaboy
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posted 19 February 2002 04:39 PM      Profile for Victor Von Mediaboy   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ronald Reagan's TRUE greatest role.
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Slick Willy
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posted 19 February 2002 05:21 PM      Profile for Slick Willy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have to agree with VVMB here. Though I thought Bonzo and Dutch had a love/hate thing going on and Bonzo wouldn't let Ronny drive the little cart they used to get around the lot hardly ever.
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jeff house
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posted 19 February 2002 05:55 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Though the headline claims GWB as second best, the actual figures don't bear this out.


"Lincoln was chosen by 20 percent, while the current president and John F. Kennedy were essentially tied for second — with Kennedy at 14 percent and Bush at 13 percent. Reagan, Bill Clinton and Franklin Roosevelt were tied for third at 8 percent apiece."

The other notable result of this poll is that every single "great" president (except Lincoln, who freed the slaves) has been in power in the last 60 years!


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skdadl
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posted 19 February 2002 06:04 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Good God. I've just realized that the inbumbent of 24 Sussex while I was finally bidding adieu to my chastity was... Brian Mulroney!

Lester Pearson here.

(Did I say that out loud? Can I take that back?)


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uh clem
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posted 19 February 2002 06:55 PM      Profile for uh clem   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Trudeau was my roll model

The bizarre thing about the survey for me was Lincoln! Why did he gain 6% more adherents between surveys? I mean, what has he done for the US recently?


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'lance
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posted 19 February 2002 06:58 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Perhaps Lincoln only looks better and better with each passing President.

This certainly helps to explain the recently revived interest in Trudeau.

[ February 19, 2002: Message edited by: 'lance ]


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posted 19 February 2002 09:30 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I don't know whether to be amused or horrified at that poster of the monkey on Ronnie's bed (re Mediaboy's IMDB link...)

In any case, I may say I am showing my relative youth by saying that Chretien was in power when I was, ahem, mumblemumble.


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'lance
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posted 19 February 2002 09:31 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Jeez talk about being, um, mumblemumbled under a bad sign. You and me both, Doc.
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nonsuch
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posted 19 February 2002 11:23 PM      Profile for nonsuch     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Did anyone take a survey on how many presidents the average American can name? (my guess is 5) Amnesia is the national virtue.
Before we start feeling too smug, though, i doubt if most Canadians could name 5 prime ministers. Even sadder, they would probably do better on presidents.

(Trudeau, freshly elected. That was a very good year.)

[ February 19, 2002: Message edited by: nonesuch ]


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SHH
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posted 19 February 2002 11:42 PM      Profile for SHH     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In addition to the airport, THE largest and one of the newest government buildings in the US (in DC), is also named after RR. Ah, the irony. Perhaps his illness was a blessing in disguise to shield him from his faux-neo-con hypocrites.

As to these polls…ever see Leno do an interview on the LA streets? It’s about the same I think.


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Lard Tunderin' Jeezus
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posted 20 February 2002 12:19 AM      Profile for Lard Tunderin' Jeezus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Before we start feeling too smug, though, i doubt if most Canadians could name 5 prime ministers. Even sadder, they would probably do better on presidents.

Oh, I think we could match the five or so presidents the Yanks could name with PMs. And we'll name those presidents on top of that, whereas few Yanks could name you any Canadian Prime Ministers. Or leaders from any other part of the world.

For the survey: I first got laid under Trudeau. But like most Canadians, I got fucked the most during the Mulroney era.


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Michelle
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posted 20 February 2002 12:33 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What counts as laid? Going "all the way"?
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Michelle
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posted 20 February 2002 12:38 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually it doesn't matter. Mulroney either way.

'lance, you're older than me and it was Chretien for you?? Wow.


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Michelle
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posted 20 February 2002 12:43 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
oh. Never mind. Doc wrote:

"In any case, I may say I am showing my relative youth by saying that Chretien was in power when I was, ahem, mumblemumble."

and then 'lance wrote:

"Jeez talk about being, um, mumblemumbled under a bad sign. You and me both, Doc."

So I assumed 'lance meant he was mumblemumbled under the same PM, and...oh, never mind.

Nice to see we share a PM, 'lance.


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Michelle
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posted 20 February 2002 12:46 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Okay, not UNDER the same PM. Sigh.

Geez!

Okay, I'm NOT going to post ANY MORE on this subject! I seem to be putting about 12 feet in my mouth at the same time!


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Trespasser
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posted 20 February 2002 04:15 PM      Profile for Trespasser   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Forgive the long post, but I just got this from a US friend, I'll post credits when I discover 'em.

Given the fact that...

- Setbacks are building blocks
- Tough times can make us better people
- The truth will set you free (even though it may at first piss you off)
- Crises build character
- Breakdowns can lead to breakthroughs
- Creativity emerges out of chaos
- Crucifixion and death come before the resurrection
- Depression and despair (in small doses) can be helpful
- Dawn follows the darkest hour
- The harshest Winter cannot stop Spring
- The Universe seems bent on turning bad news into good news, eventually
- Time can be trusted (a useful belief, even if it can't be proven)
- God has surely not abandoned us (a similarly useful belief)
- Nature has a wisdom that we're not privy to
- Optimists live longer and happier lives than pessimists
- Having faith in the process - including the pain - feels good
- None of us sees the whole picture

I say... "Here's 77 reasons to truly thank God for GWB!"

In George W. Bush's first year in office he:

1. Significantly eased field-testing controls of genetically engineered crops.

2. Cut federal spending on libraries by $39 million.

3. Cut $35 million in funding for doctors to get advanced pediatric training.

4. Cut by 50% funding for research into renewable energy sources.

5. Revoked rules that reduced the acceptable levels of arsenic in drinking water.

6. Blocked rules that would require federal agencies to offer bilingual assistance to non-English speaking persons. This, from a candidate who would readily fire-up his Spanish-speaking skills in front of would-be Hispanic voters.

7. Proposed to eliminate new marine protections for the Channel Islands and the coral reefs of northwest Hawaii (San Francisco Chronicle, April 6, 2001).

8. Cut funding by 28% for research into cleaner, more efficient cars and trucks.

9. Suspended rules that would have strengthened the government's ability to deny contracts to companies that violated workplace safety, environmental and other federal laws.

10. OK'd Interior Department appointee Gale Norton to send out letters to state officials soliciting suggestions for opening up national
monuments for oil and gas drilling, coal mining, and foresting.

11. Appointed John Negroponte - an un-indicted high-level Iran Contra figure to the post of United Nations Ambassador.

12. Abandoned a campaign pledge to invest $100 million for rain forest conservation.

13. Reduced by 86% the Community Access Program for public hospitals, clinics and providers of care for people without insurance.

14. Rescinded a proposal to increase public access to information about the potential consequences resulting from chemical plant accidents.

15. Suspended rules that would require hardrock miners to clean up sites on Western public lands.

16. Cut $60 million from a Boy's and Girl's Clubs of America program for public housing.

17. Proposed to eliminate a federal program, designed and successfully used in Seattle, to help communities prepare for natural disasters.

18. Pulled out of the 1997 Kyoto Treaty global warming agreement.

19. Cut $200 million of work force training for dislocated workers.

20. Eliminated funding for the Wetlands Reserve Program, which encourages farmers to maintain wetlands habitat on their property.

21. Cut program to provide childcare to low-income families as they move from welfare to work.

22. Cut a program that provided prescription contraceptive coverage to federal employees (though it still pays for Viagra).

23. Cut $700 million in capital funds for repairs in public housing.

24. Appointed Otto Reich - an un-indicted high-level Iran Contra figure - to Assistant Secretary of State for Inter-American Affairs..

25. Cut Environmental Protection Agency budget by $500 million.

26. Proposed to curtail the ability of groups to sue in order to get an animal placed on the Endangered Species List.

27. Rescinded the rule that mandated increased energy-saving efficiency regulations for central air conditioners and heat pumps.

28. Repealed workplace ergonomic rules designed to improve worker health and safety.

29. Abandoned campaign pledge to regulate carbon dioxide, the waste gas that contributes to global warming.

30. Banned federal aid to international family planning programs that offer abortion counseling with other independent funds.

31. Closed White House Office for Women's Health Initiatives and Outreach.

32. Nominated David Lauriski - ex-mining company executive - to post of Assistant Secretary of Labor for Mine Safety and Health.

33. OK'd Interior Secretary Gale Norton to go forth with a controversial plan to auction oil and gas development tracts off the coast of eastern Florida.

34. Announced intention to open up Montana's Lewis and Clark National Forest to oil and drilling.

35. Proposes to re-draw boundaries of nation's monuments, which would technically allow oil and gas drilling "outside" of national monuments.

36. Gutted White House AIDS Office.

37. Renegotiating free trade agreement with Jordan to eliminate workers's rights and safeguards for the environment.

38. Will no longer seek guidance from The American Bar Association in recommendations for the federal judiciary appointments.

39. Appointed recycling foe Lynn Scarlett as Undersecretary of the Interior.

40. Took steps to abolish the White House Council on Environmental Quality.

41. Cut the Community Oriented Policing Services program.

42. Allowed Interior Secretary Gale Norton to shelve citizen-led grizzly bear re-introduction plan scheduled for Idaho and Montana
wilderness.

43. Continues to hold up federal funding for stem cell research projects.

44. Makes sure convicted misdemeanor drug users cannot get financial aid for college, though convicted murderers can.

45. Refused to fund continued cleanup of uranium-slag heap in Utah.

46. Refused to fund continued litigation of the government's tobacco company lawsuit.

47. Proposed a $2 trillion tax cut, of which 43% will go to the wealthiest 1% of Americans.

48. Signed a bill making it harder for poor and middle-class Americans to file for bankruptcy, even in the case of daunting medical bills.

49. Appointed a Vice President quoted as saying "If you want to do something about carbon dioxide emissions, then you ought to build nuclear power plants." (Vice President Dick Cheney on "Meet the Press.")

50. Appointed Diana "There is no gender gap in pay" Roth to the Council of Economic Advisers. (Boston Globe, March 28, 2001.)

51. Appointed Kay Cole James - an opponent of affirmative action - to direct the Office of Personnel Management.

52. Cut $15.7 million earmarked for states to investigate cases of child abuse and neglect.

53. Helped kill a law designed to make it tougher for teenagers to get credit cards.

54. Proposed elimination of the "Reading is Fundamental" program that gives free books to poor children.

55. Is pushing for development of small nuclear arm to attack deeply buried targets and weapons, which would violate the Comprehensive Test Ban
Treaty.

56. Proposes to nominate Jeffrey Sutton - attorney responsible for the recent case weakening the Americans with Disabilities Act- to federal appeals court judgeship.

57. Proposes to reverse regulation protecting 60 million acres of national forest from logging and road building.

58. Eliminated funding for the "We the People" education program which taught School children about the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and
citizenship.

59. Appointed John Bolton - who opposes nonproliferation treaties and the U.N. - to Undersecretary of State for Arms Control and
International Security.

60. Nominated Linda Fisher - an executive with Monsanto - for the number-two job at the Environmental Protection Agency.

61. Nominated Michael McConnell - leading critic of the separation of church and state - to a federal judgeship.

62. Nominated Terrence Boyle - ardent opponent of civil rights - to a federal judgeship.

63. Canceled 2004 deadline for automakers to develop prototype high mileage cars.

64. Nominated Harvey Pitts - lawyer for teen sex video distributor - to head SEC.

65. Nominated John Walters - strong opponent of prison drug treatment programs - for Drug Czar. (Washington Post, May 16, 2001.)

66. Nominated J. Steven Giles - an oil and coal lobbyist - for Deputy Secretary of the Interior.

67. Nominated Bennett Raley - who advocates repealing the Endangered Species Act - for Assistant Secretary for Water and Science

68. Is seeking the dismissal of class-action lawsuit filed in the U.S. against Japan by Asian women forced to work as sex slaves during WWII.

69. Earmarked $4 million in new federal grant money for HIV and drug abuse prevention programs to go only to religious groups and not secular
equivalents.

70. Reduced by 40% the Low Income Home Assistance Program for low-income individuals who need assistance paying energy bills.

71. Nominated Ted Olson- who has repeatedly lied about his involvement with the Scaiffe-funded "Arkansas Project" to bring down Bill Clinton - for Solicitor General.

72. Nominated Terrance Boyle - foe of civil rights -to a federal judgeship.

73. Proposes to ease permit process - including environmental considerations - for refinery, nuclear and hydroelectric dam construction. (Washington Post, May 18, 2001.)

74. Proposes to give government the authority to take private property through eminent domain for power lines.

75. Proposes that $1.2 billion in funding for alternative renewable energy come from selling oil and gas lease tracts in the Alaska National
Wildlife Reserve.

76. Plans on serving genetically engineered foods at all official government functions.

77. Forced out Forest Service chief Mike Dombeck and appointed a timber industry lobbyist.


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posted 20 February 2002 04:24 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
78. Ran and hid when New York Twin Towers were rammed by hijacked planes.
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posted 20 February 2002 04:29 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
79. Was "misunderestimated" according to Dubya himself.
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'topherscompy
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posted 20 February 2002 07:52 PM      Profile for 'topherscompy        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i guess bush the lesser/his fraudulency is going for quantity over quality (tho maybe from from his view atop mt enron)


(kim campbell was pm when {1stmumblemumble} started, but not when it finished........
hey that still makes me a two minute ....Bah!


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'lance
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posted 20 February 2002 07:59 PM      Profile for 'lance     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yeah, but time with her with a flexible thing. Recall, she was our first PM to openly admit she'd smoked dope.
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