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David Kyle
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posted 01 December 2001 10:57 AM      Profile for David Kyle     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Afghan talks on verge of collapse, Northern Alliance hesitant to support interim government.
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WingNut
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posted 01 December 2001 11:08 AM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That story has a New York Times by-line. Why not just read a real newspaper to begin with?
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QuikSilver
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posted 02 December 2001 01:42 PM      Profile for QuikSilver     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Someone needs to lean across the table and remind the Alliance that they haven't/aren't winning their war against the Taliban.

After 6 years of warfare, they controlled a land area the size of a postage stamp. 2 months after the US jumped in the Taliban are running and the Alliance is suddenly a force to be reckoned with!!

I heard also the the Alliance is objecting to foriegn military escourts for humanitarian envoys! The trucks are being stopped and stolen by militant rebels and no one wants to drive them until they have adecuate protection. Yes these guys are dickheads too!


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skdadl
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posted 02 December 2001 01:46 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Americans are also preventing British, Canadian, and French armed forces from proceeding to stabilize and rebuild.
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David Kyle
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posted 04 December 2001 07:27 PM      Profile for David Kyle     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Afghan factions agree on UN blueprint, wow, I hadn't expected an agreement to be reached so quickly.
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Rebecca West
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posted 04 December 2001 07:56 PM      Profile for Rebecca West     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Delegates and diplomats said the Alliance was stalling for time, trying to consolidate its hold on power,
Well, OF COURSE they are. They've had Kabul for, like, 5 minutes...consolidating their power is the only pragmatic thing to do. And it's not like the region is a hotbed of democracy - Pakistan's General Musharraf came to power in a military coup. Why this manoevre of the Alliance is being given an evil spin, I don't know. After all, there's no shortage of atrocity stories connected to the Northern Alliance. Any ideas? Aside from the fact that the article's from the NYT, reprinted in the National Socialist Post?

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WingNut
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posted 04 December 2001 08:09 PM      Profile for WingNut   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It is going to be a tricky situation. Pashtuns fighting the Taliban around Kandahr are saying, according to a news report I read today, that they will oppose any foreign troops on their territory. They want the Taliban gone, they want the Northern Alliance held back and they want the U.S. out. I have a sense this will all get much uglier before it gets any better.
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Slick Willy
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posted 06 December 2001 02:51 AM      Profile for Slick Willy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Inter-Cave Memo

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From: Bin Laden, Osama
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:17 AM
To: Cavemates
Subject: The Cave

Hi guys. We've all been putting in long hours but we've really come together as a group and I love that. Big thanks to Omar for putting up the poster that says "There is no I in team" as well as the one that says
"Hang In There, Baby." That cat is hilarious.

However, while we are fighting a jihad, we can't forget to take care of the cave. And frankly I have a few concerns.

First of all, while it's good to be concerned about cruise missiles, we should be even more concerned about the scorpions in our cave. Hey, you don't want to be stung and neither do I so we need to sweep the cave daily. I've posted a sign up sheet near the main cave opening.

Second, it's not often I make a video address but when I do, I'm trying to scare the most powerful country on earth, okay? That means that while we're taping, please do not ride your razor scooter in the background. Just while we're taping. Thanks.

Third point, and this is a touchy one. As you know, by edict, we're not supposed to shave our beards. But I need everyone to just think hygiene, especially after mealtime. We're all in this together.

Fourth: food. I bought a box of Cheez-Its recently, clearly wrote "Osama" on the front, and put it on the top shelf. Today, my Cheez-Its were gone. Consideration. That's all I'm saying.

Finally, we've heard that there may be American soldiers in disguise trying to infiltrate our ranks. I want to set up patrols to look for them. First patrol will be Omar, Muhammed, Abdul, Akbar, and Richard.

Love you lots.
Osama


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David Kyle
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posted 06 December 2001 05:22 PM      Profile for David Kyle     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Talk about a big OOPS!

Hamid Karzai was slightly injured by an errant US bomb yesterday.
Click for story.


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QuikSilver
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posted 06 December 2001 05:56 PM      Profile for QuikSilver     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Umm a question.... What was Karzai doing on the front lines, anyway?

Wouldn't you think they'd have a safer spot for the interim leader of the country?

[ December 06, 2001: Message edited by: QuikSilver ]


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Apemantus
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posted 07 December 2001 06:51 AM      Profile for Apemantus        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1694000/1694867.stm


Key Afghan warlords reject Bonn deal.


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jeff house
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posted 07 December 2001 11:32 AM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The two warlords mentioned are very significant ones. Abdul Dostum is Uzbek, and has had significant support from Turkey over the years; Ismail Khan represents Shiites in Afghanistan, and has received military and other aid from Iran over the last twelve years or so.
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DrConway
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posted 09 December 2001 08:04 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
USA claims new insight into Al Qaeda

(Extract follows)

Report: US gains insight to Al Qaeda
LOS ANGELES, Dec. 9 (UPI) -- Captured documents and interrogations of Taliban fighters have assisted U.S. intelligence agents in gaining invaluable insights into Al Qaeda terrorist cells and facilities around the world.

The Los Angeles Times said Sunday that the fresh intelligence has led to a quiet raid by U.S. commandos on Al Qaeda hideouts in Bosnia-Herzegovina and, according to sources, could be setting the stage for future operations in Africa and Indonesia.

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Bosnia-Herzegovina??! What the HELL would Al Qaeda want to be in there for?

Why does this article smell to me like a report on the justification the USA is going to use for its "War is Peace" program wherein semi-permanent war will substitute for peace?


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Apemantus
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posted 10 December 2001 04:21 AM      Profile for Apemantus        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/south_asia/newsid_1700000/1700561.stm


Dostum 'won't fight interim authority'


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NukeMecca
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posted 02 January 2002 02:59 AM      Profile for NukeMecca     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There is a way to speed up the battle!
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N.R.KISSED
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posted 02 January 2002 10:28 AM      Profile for N.R.KISSED     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"like tales told by an idiot, full of sound and fury signifying nothing!"
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Michelle
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posted 02 January 2002 11:20 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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rasmus
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posted 03 January 2002 03:44 AM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The flaws in Downing Street's fatwa

Claiming war has made us safer is a dangerous hostage to fortune

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Michelle
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posted 03 January 2002 06:14 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Isn't that interesting, that the article was written by a Labour MP. Can you imagine a Liberal backbencher writing and having published a piece that critical of Chretien's government policy?
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agent007
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posted 03 January 2002 06:34 PM      Profile for agent007     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sure you can!

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Michelle
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posted 03 January 2002 06:53 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yep, that's pretty much what I was thinking!
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skdadl
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posted 04 January 2002 10:36 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Isn't that interesting, that the article was written by a Labour MP.

Och, aye -- the member for Glasgow Kelvin, note. The laddie's unlikely to be "New" Labour. A great tonic, isn't it? We have so few of these voices here ...


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Michelle
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posted 04 January 2002 11:06 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh. Whoops. I didn't realize that. So what you're telling me is that he is a Labour MP but in a different Labour party? Well, I'd better put everyone on notice that when I say anything about UK politics, I will be talking directly out of my ass.
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skdadl
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posted 04 January 2002 11:17 AM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No, no, you're right, Michelle! He is in the Labour Party -- and you're quite right that they don't face anything like the enforced conformity that our party politicians do, especially the Liberal caucus.

The New Right is Blair and his followers; but the Labour Party is still filled with no-nonsense lefties who remain "Old" Labour more or less by default. Some are stronger traditional labour politicians than others; but almost all the Scots, for sure those from Glasgow, would be completely out of patience with Blair.


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