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bigcitygal
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posted 02 October 2008 06:01 PM      Profile for bigcitygal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Go at it!
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Harper: My family and I are artists.
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"are conservatives barbarians? -- moderator
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West Coast Greeny
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"Are conservatives barbarians?"

By the moderator?! He's getting some good shots in this debate.


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Sean in Ottawa
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Arts question:
Dion claiming authority with his family being in the arts - 314 thousand jobs
May Arts and culture an essential part of a democracy-- good jab-- good economic connection
essential part of who we are-- excellent answer on this question
Dio shares Mays view-- first its fun-- I guess same as May but from the bottom of a well-- not as clear
then a straight up repeat
Harper-- says he enjoys the arts and plays a bit of piano-- long family pedigree on what his family doing in the arts-- he then roles into arts for the amateurs-- children-- nice but no suggestion
Layton THANK YOU -- says most people in the arts could not afford art lessons-- earning between 10,000-25,000 Excellent answer

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"Do you think Conservatives are barbarians"? Oh, for heaven's sake. Why even ask such a useless question? Please tell me he's not going to insist on it.

Good on Layton for emphasizing that artists are workers.

[ 02 October 2008: Message edited by: montrealais ]


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Did dude just ask "do you think the conservatives are barbarians" ??? Yowza!
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Yes, Conservatives are barbarians. I just don't want to be around when Stephen Harper gets into his loincloth.
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quote:
Originally posted by Treetop:
Harper: My family and I are artists.

Layton: "My wife is a sculptor, I'm not really good at anything" lol. I know the feeling.


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"to CBC, some may be surprised." Yes, we would be.
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Now Harper is lyingggggg. "Increased funding" my sweet patootie.
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May good perspective-- 16 different programs cut--
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Over at the MacLean's live blog:

# 9:50 PM Martin Patriquin - Hands up: Who here actually has a family doctor?
# 9:50 PM Kady O’Malley - i do, actually
# 9:50 PM John Geddes - I
# 9:50 PM Chris Selley - Me.
# 9:50 PM Kady O’Malley - and it wasn’t even that hard to find her. i looked on the ontario society of physicians website.
# 9:50 PM Aaron Wherry - Me too.
# 9:51 PM John Geddes - Mine interviewed our family to see if we were suitable.

Must be nice to live in Ottawa, cause here in Belleville its been a long 4 years.

Oh and they should cross the river and try and spend time in the ER at Hull Hospital


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A bit behind (emergency call to the fridge),

quote:
Shouldice is actually NOT-for-profit.

Dad had two hernia ops there. OHIP paid everything.

Neighbouring beds were wealthy Americans, who came up for the cheaper and better care (next bed was the lawyer fresh from defending the murderer of John Lennon). Impression I got was it was for profit.


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May and Gille are doing a good job. Layton has had a lot of zingers. Dion looks a little lost.
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May is bang on "stupid cuts"
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Sean in Ottawa
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Nice jab on the democratic issue May
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quote:
Originally posted by West Coast Greeny:

Layton: "My wife is a sculptor, I'm not really good at anything" lol. I know the feeling.


That was one of the most human things any of them said. It certainly spoke to me as a spouse of a muscian when I can't carry a tune, except when I have my mp3 player in my hand


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Paikin - "I'm trying to make sure that Biden and Palin don't steal our audience."
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"i don't want Binden and Pallin to steal our audience" -- moderator telling the group not to get out of hand.

ps: i do too, Dion, "i want to vote for more fun".


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Sean in Ottawa
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Great job Duceppe asking Harper to show the analysis behind the cuts-- Harper not answering the question
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Move to foreign policies please. Don't sweep them under the carpet and bail Harper out like US to AIG!
And we will see the even more hilarious ganging up......

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quote:
Neighbouring beds were wealthy Americans, who came up for the cheaper and better care (next bed was the lawyer fresh from defending the murderer of John Lennon). Impression I got was it was for profit.

Well then every single hospital in Canada is "for profit" they all take paying clients from out of country and they let vets use their MRI machines for cats and dogs after hours too.


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quote:
Originally posted by candle:
Over at the MacLean's live blog:

# 9:50 PM Martin Patriquin - Hands up: Who here actually has a family doctor?
# 9:50 PM Kady O’Malley - i do, actually
# 9:50 PM John Geddes - I
# 9:50 PM Chris Selley - Me.
# 9:50 PM Kady O’Malley - and it wasn’t even that hard to find her. i looked on the ontario society of physicians website.
# 9:50 PM Aaron Wherry - Me too.
# 9:51 PM John Geddes - Mine interviewed our family to see if we were suitable.

Must be nice to live in Ottawa, cause here in Belleville its been a long 4 years.

Oh and they should cross the river and try and spend time in the ER at Hull Hospital


I am lucky, we have tons of people here that don't have a family doctor, we are double the national average for doctors to patients ratios. And the national average is bad enough.

edited for 1/2 of national average. 2200 people per doctor nationally in windsor it is about 4000/dr.

[ 02 October 2008: Message edited by: thorin_bane ]


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I thought Dion was doing well until he used the unfortunate "we'll have more fun in Canada." The difficulty with English is hurting him a bit.
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quote:
Originally posted by Donald MacDonald-Ross:
A bit behind (emergency call to the fridge),

Dad had two hernia ops there. OHIP paid everything.

Neighbouring beds were wealthy Americans, who came up for the cheaper and better care (next bed was the lawyer fresh from defending the murderer of John Lennon). Impression I got was it was for profit.



It is actually for-profit, but it's a family-owned, small operation. That much was recognized by Michael Rachlis. However, it's still a cheap shot and beside the point as in all likelihood, it would be impossible for a patient to tell it's for-profit.

[ 02 October 2008: Message edited by: Lasker ]


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Layton is talking about the workers and pointing out that other countries are investing-- arts best on creating jobs--
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"banks" shot
"banks" shot

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shit. i thot Dion said: ""i want to vote for more fun"
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well that question had a faulty premise
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quote:
Originally posted by statica:
shit. i thot Dion said: ""i want to vote for more fun"

Doesn't everyone?


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ya, suddenly, i wanted to vote for Dion
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quote:
Originally posted by candle:
well that question had a faulty premise

A lot of people do feel that crime is increasing, so it's accurate to that extent. We can always do better, anyway.


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I want to vote for more summer. When I am a party Leader that will be the first plank in my platform
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Good answers from May and Dion on crime. Dion is certainly trying to convey the idea that he's "the leader that most cares about you." He was trained well.

I find Harper's voice a bit monotonous.

Good point on hand guns by Layton.


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quote:
Originally posted by Bookish Agrarian:
I want to vote for more summer. When I am a party Leader that will be the first plank in my platform

Oh - then vote Conservative for more global warming.


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Wow, victory to May on violence, noting cuts in literacy
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quote:
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Originally posted by Bookish Agrarian:
I want to vote for more summer. When I am a party Leader that will be the first plank in my platform
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quote:
Oh - then vote Conservative for more global warming.

i thot i might vote for Layton, during his part during the health care debate, he might turn canada into cuba


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quote:
Originally posted by Doug:

Oh - then vote Conservative for more global warming.


best zing of the thread


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I trust judges and you don't -- says Dion-- you said a judge in NS supported you and he said no-- you are going too far-- good comments from Dion

[ 02 October 2008: Message edited by: Sean in Ottawa ]


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Doug I am not in favour of summer all year long, just more of it. I am Canadian AND from Bruce County I like winter too!
Besides if I placed a Conservative vote in the box it would cause the known Universe to collapse in on itself.

You canceled some of these issues becuase you wanted to give a speech. Good zinger!


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quote:
Good answers from May and Dion on crime. Dion is certainly trying to convey the idea that he's "the leader that most cares about you." He was trained well.

Dion just claimed that "Mental Illness" is a cause of crime, this is just perpetuation of ignorant bigotry, those with diagnosis are more likely to be victims than perpetrators and they are no more likely to engage in criminal activity.


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"Philosophy from the United States" - Shot.


(This is not to say I disagree, this is yet another problem with the Cons.)


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Duceppe-- we don't need that philosophy imported from the US more arms in circulation and more people in jail-- good comment
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quote:
Originally posted by Bookish Agrarian:

Besides if I placed a Conservative vote in the box it would cause the known Universe to collapse in on itself.

Now I think of it, perhaps I should vote Conservative. Whoever I vote for seems to lose, other than at the local level.


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EXCELLENT impassioned plea by Layton.
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Layton bringing up shameful situation of First nations in jail-- addressing conditions on reserves-- Thanks again Layton.

We participated in an important apology-- but it only means something if you get something done--
Harper says I won't list what we've done -- yeah right won him some FN votes there-- totally ignored the FN situation


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43 times
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yes!!! the importance of the situation facing First Nations in Canada keeps coming up!!!
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Oh, not that bullshit about killing the Kelowna accord. And zing on the 43 votes.

I really wish the moderator would quit saying "lady and gentlemen." The singular of "ladies," as a term of direct address, is "madam."

[ 02 October 2008: Message edited by: montrealais ]


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Layton, Dion, battling over who helps Harper more...

And May. Her trying to interject in the debate after it ends isn't helping her, in my view.


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Dion looked pretty bad trying to accuse the NDP of having a "coalition" with the Conservatives.
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quote:
Originally posted by Doug:

Now I think of it, perhaps I should vote Conservative. Whoever I vote for seems to lose, other than at the local level.


Just the moment I did that the Conservative would win by one vote


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Good, Jack needed to stick that to Stephane Dion tonight.
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Layton if you can't do the job of opposition leader how can you run for PM-- 43 times supported the government kept them in power.
Good shot

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I realize I'm biased, but i have to say that i really think Layton is doing well tonight and that Dion is an also-ran.
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Jack has had several defining moments for the media. If I hold my breath long enough do you think they will actually use them?
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No
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quote:
Originally posted by Stockholm:
I realize I'm biased, but i have to say that i really think Layton is doing well tonight and that Dion is an also-ran.

I agree, it's not so much that Dion has been consistently bad. He's had a few bad and good moments, but he's been mostly irrelevant.


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Afghanistan. This should be the most interesting segment.

- Harper. It's only 3 more years, then we're done.
- Layton, we've been calling for withdrawl from the start.
- Go away Duceppe.
- May. Look at precedent, vacuum was left, can happen again, NATO isn't working, UN led mission. Solid, IMO, although I don't know if everyone follows EXACTLY what she means.
- Dion.


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OK EMay is the best in her intro on Afghanistan......
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If you hold your breath eventually you pass out and then start breathing again involountarily.
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"Bush" shot
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Mr Harper I don't thinkn you can be trusted on this--

I have to agree Layton is really coming up as the debate has gone on-- I have to say that I think Dion is doing better than I thought so is May-- Duceppe is doing well but I do think Layton is winning this and I do think Harper is losing this.


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quote:
Originally posted by West Coast Greeny:
Afghanistan. This should be the most interesting segment.

- Harper. It's only 3 more years, then we're done.
- Layton, we've been calling for withdrawl from the start.
- Go away Duceppe.
- May. Look at precedent, vacuum was left, can happen again, NATO isn't working, UN led mission. Solid, IMO, although I don't know if everyone follows EXACTLY what she means.
- Dion.


She was refering to the Afghan civil war between 1992-1996.


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OMG... I am gonna puke at the total ignorance of Layton.

He is a freaking broken record. "cancel the tax cuts" is all he talks about.

High taxes means business leave Canada. What will be left in the coffers when there is no one paying taxes any more?

Got help us if the NDP ever actually get elected.


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another Bush shot, i get to take a drink
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"Bush" shot
"Bush" shot
"Australia" Australian shot

I'm enjoying this.

"Bush" shot

Harper: "I made an error" chug everclear


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Duceppe got Harper to admit he made a mistake on IraQ-- nice one
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Duceppe is really pressing him on Iraq.
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Paiken is starting to piss me off. He started out well, but he has cut of Layton more than anyone else. As well when others take personal shots, they are allowed to respond. Layton has not been given that chance 3 times in a row.
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Duceppe really nailed Harper on Iraq. "Yes, it was an error."
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posted 02 October 2008 06:33 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by laughingatu:

High taxes means business leave Canada. What will be left in the coffers when there is no one paying taxes any more?

No higher than they were last year, which would hardly be a disaster.


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Aw, May let Harper go over Iraq. I thought that was the most useful thing Duceppe did all night, aside from bringing up First Nations people.

[ 02 October 2008: Message edited by: montrealais ]


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Ducceppe sounded kind of bad there, even though he's right. May's interruption was better - "We're only not there [in Iraq] because you weren't Prime Minister." I'd say she's done a pretty good job this debate. Though her position on Afghanistan is atrocious.

[ 02 October 2008: Message edited by: Vansterdam Kid ]


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i smell another gang up on harper on this, more Bush shots ... i'm gonna get drunk tonight
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Duceppe totally pinned Harper on Iraq. May lets up to talk about Afghanistan. She is interested in policy, apparently.
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EMay scores my 10 points for Aghanistan. And Harper is now eating his own words with Duceppe-Dion 1-2 punches!
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quote:
Originally posted by laughingatu:
OMG... I am gonna puke at the total ignorance of Layton.

He is a freaking broken record. "cancel the tax cuts" is all he talks about.

High taxes means business leave Canada. What will be left in the coffers when there is no one paying taxes any more?

Got help us if the NDP ever actually get elected.


Holy crap the NDP must be winning -- we got ourselves a new troll with an anti-NDP agenda--


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I did not like Duceppe's statement

"Canadian and Quebecor soldiers"


Sorry if I spelt it wrong.


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Harper just gave Dion the kiss of death on Afghanistan.
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Harper: Thank you Dion, for supporting me on Afghanistan.

Interesting tactic there. Trying to push Liberals to Layton.


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Originally posted by Sean in Ottawa:

Holy crap the NDP must be winning -- we got ourselves a new troll with an anti-NDP agenda--



And of course a complete misrepresentation of Layton's performance-- he actually has improved since we left that topic. I guess this guy is not watching the debate but instead watching the media coverage of the first section.

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Harper just gave Dion the kiss of death on Afghanistan.

agreed!!!!


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posted 02 October 2008 06:37 PM      Profile for Doug   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Oops - don't know how that repeated.

[ 02 October 2008: Message edited by: Doug ]


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quote:
Originally posted by Sean in Ottawa:

Holy crap the NDP must be winning -- we got ourselves a new troll with an anti-NDP agenda--


EH... tax cut comment again.. first thing Layton would do... good thing he will never win.


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posted 02 October 2008 06:38 PM      Profile for statica   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
wow, i like the question from the guy working on his shed.... sounds like what the americans would call a "joe-six-pack" question with no bull-feathers allowed in the answer.
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Though Ducceppe is all over the map in this debate, he's fucking hilarious. "I know I won't be Prime Minister, and neither will three of you...even though you won't say it."
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Originally posted by laughingatu:

EH... tax cut comment again.. first thing Layton would do... good thing he will never win.


Oh sorry so I guess you are watching-- did you know you fell asleep for over an hour of the debate?
Don't forget the reruns.


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posted 02 October 2008 06:39 PM      Profile for statica   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Citoyens! Voter pour le Bloc Québécois
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I don't like Duceppe's politics, but I have found that he is often one of the more down to earth and realistic leaders. Less BSing as well.

If he wasn't the leader of the Bloc, I might even support him. He is quite like-able.


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May is the first and only leaser to mention proportional rep
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"Hello, I'm building my shed here"

"I don't want bullfeathers or bafflebrains"

Good question, anyways.

Layton - Reverse the corporate tax cut.

Duceppe - I won't be Prime Minister, but nor will the rest of you opposition leaders. HA!

May - Finish building your shed. :S Fix our electoral system, then work on climate change. Not a popular answer. But props from me for bringing that up in this debate.

Dion - Deal with the economic crisis. Wow, why didn't anybody else say that?! He wins.

Harper - Deal with the economic crisis. Stay in surplus, don't raise taxes. Tax credit, tax credit.


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Oh oh a bull-feathers response from Harper-- won't do this won't do that and continue to manage blah blah blah-- no sign of a policy or plan or platform-- the damn thing is a secret.

someone should go after Harper asking if the Conservative plan is censored by the new secret agenda boys


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quote:
Originally posted by Sean in Ottawa:

Oh sorry so I guess you are watching-- did you know you fell asleep for over an hour of the debate?
Don't forget the reruns.


actually... I finally got up and went to the computer... who can fall asleep during this stuff! Is isn't like it is the Throne Speech... now THAT was a difficult time to stay awake.


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Paiken is really getting in there. Saying Layton is misrepresenting people, telling Dion a bunch of Ontario politicians don't endorse him.
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May: "harper ... i'd love to know what you think"
translation: "oh please, say something stupid so i can attack you yet again"

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quote:
Originally posted by laughingatu:

actually... I finally got up and went to the computer... who can fall asleep during this stuff! Is isn't like it is the Throne Speech... now THAT was a difficult time to stay awake.


Then if you saw it why would you misrepresent over an hour of debate where the tax custs did not come up??? No point lying here we are all watching it.


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Dion muddles talking about the Green Shift, May hits it perfectly... again. (Shot?)

Nice attack by the moderator. Hey, its one on Harper, Layton and Dion now. Its fair... I guess.

I think he went after May for a couple of refinements too. She answered them so quickly I don't think I noticed.


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did somebody say, "troll"?

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EMAY: Please bring in this horribly regressive and expensive tax splitting plan!
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wow, Duceppe is gone quite far from his hair net days ...hehehe

Citoyens! Voter pour le Bloc Québécois


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actually... I finally got up and went to the computer...

Har har, I have a T.V. card on my puter; debate in one corner, and open windows replying to email and updating notes on my webpage re the 1841 Coigach censu


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laughingatu
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did somebody say, "troll"?

Look up thread-- I did


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Ah... the income tax broken promise. Good to get that line in.

May's income splitting comment was incredibly confusing.


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she didn't look too much like a "young voter"
and besides.. she said she didn't vote!

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wow, Duceppe is gone quite far from his hair net days ...hehehe

quote:
Bloc Quebecois leader Gilles Duceppe can certainly attest to how image can ruin an entire campaign. During a tour of a cheese factory during the 1997 campaign, he donned a hairnet that looked laughably like a shower cap. The image was splashed over all the papers and made easy fodder for political cartoons

Personal image almost as important as platforms


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quote:
Originally posted by Will S:

May's income splitting comment was incredibly confusing.

It's not that confusing - other than not making sense. If your spouse makes around the same amount of money you do, no tax cut for you. If your spouse makes a lot more or a lot less, tax cut.


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This better be Paikins last moderation. A good moderator should be like a good hockey referee. Hardly noticed and not trying to be a part of the action.
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May-- former lawyer now politician-- now just above the paparazzi in public esteem.
That was funny.

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Yes, we deserve better, Elizabeth. Please go away.
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Closing!


Go here!


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I agree - she is barely above a paparazzi.
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