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malpeque
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posted 25 July 2007 07:51 AM      Profile for malpeque     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Maybe they should put Joe Volpe in charge of fundraising
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rhetorical
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posted 25 July 2007 08:18 AM      Profile for rhetorical     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Yes. Because the other Liberals don't do what he does...
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tzarina
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posted 25 July 2007 10:37 AM      Profile for tzarina     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
In Sarnia liberal fundraising lunch featuring Bob Rae attracted only 75 people. Tickets were sold forjust $50. I wonder how many people would show at Jack Layton dinner.
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redflag
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posted 25 July 2007 12:00 PM      Profile for redflag     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
To be fair, 75 people doesn't really seem like a bad turn out. The only thing that would make it embarassing is if they were expecting say... 200 or 300 and only got 75.
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ravenj
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posted 25 July 2007 03:59 PM      Profile for ravenj     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I would hate to be one of those Halifax/Ottawa Libs who went to those "trial runs" (as Kennedy put it).
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KenS
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posted 28 July 2007 05:40 PM      Profile for KenS     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
A big reason- probably THE reason- for these [failed] joint fundraisers was that the leadership debts are an albatross hanging around the neck of the Liberal Party.

One more problem on top of the others.

These weren't debts the individual leadership candidates were really expected to repay. But Elections Canada said it will not tolerate the loand being perpetual, since that constitutes end running donation limits.

Penalties for non-compliance are not and have not been specified. But even without them- as long as they are not on the road to being expeditiously repaid, it's another stick for the Cons to whack the Liberals over when they run out of other reminders of Liberal financial wrongdoings.

And- while no new Liberal leadership race is on the horizon- neither is paying off these 'loans'. So the Liberals face the prospect of running the next race with even tighter individual limits- and them still not figuring out how to get money from individuals [and the old 'loans' probably still not paid off].

Tick, tick, tick, tick...


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CanadianBacon
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posted 30 July 2007 12:54 PM      Profile for CanadianBacon     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Maybe the Libs need to bring back Gagliano and some of his friends to do their fundraising.
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KenS
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posted 30 July 2007 01:16 PM      Profile for KenS     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The Liberals have PLENTY of bagmen who could have replaced Gagliano and Volpe a thousand times over.

The problem for the Liberal Party is that under the new rules there is no use for bagmen: $1,100 is the total anyone can give in a year, period.

Hence the Liberals problems- they just cannot figure out how to do it without bagmen collecting large donations.


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posted 30 July 2007 01:20 PM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Exactly. They need to learn how to get 40000 contributors per quarter instead of 4000.
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JackIsBack
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posted 30 July 2007 01:37 PM      Profile for JackIsBack   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by HeywoodFloyd:
Exactly. They need to learn how to get 40000 contributors per quarter instead of 4000.

Exactly.... their own laws to stifle competition and opposition are working, to bad they lost power and they are now the opposition those laws are stifling - ironic.

Personally - if someone wants to spend their own money protesting the government (or another political party) - why should I or the government stop them - but the gag laws prevent them from doing just that. Who are we (the government and laws) to say someone can't spend their money (or limit the amount they spend) on a legal activity.


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Pogo
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posted 30 July 2007 01:50 PM      Profile for Pogo   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
If everyone had equal disposable income then there would be no problem lettign people choose how much they want to spend. Unfortunately the way this capitalism thing has played out, there is quite a disparity in disposable income, such that the only people able to contribute big dollars are people interested in a system that protects the wealthy. Funny how that works.
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Northern54
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posted 30 July 2007 02:11 PM      Profile for Northern54     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
This is one of the reasons why many people from European democracies do not view the United States (and formerly, Canada) as a full-fledged democracy because money can buy elections due to inadequate campaign financing laws. According to a Swedish high school textbook I was shown by a visiting exchange students [too many years ago], in a democracy, citizens should not have widely disparate political power due to the amount of money that they invest into the system.
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posted 30 July 2007 02:20 PM      Profile for redflag     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I was playing around on the financial statements site at elections Canada and what's really interesting is the sheer amount of people who donate to the NDP in very small but consistant intervals. It'd be cool if someone took the data from those sites and actually graphed it.
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posted 30 July 2007 03:21 PM      Profile for Vansterdam Kid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by JackIsBack:

Exactly.... their own laws to stifle competition and opposition are working, to bad they lost power and they are now the opposition those laws are stifling - ironic.

Personally - if someone wants to spend their own money protesting the government (or another political party) - why should I or the government stop them - but the gag laws prevent them from doing just that. Who are we (the government and laws) to say someone can't spend their money (or limit the amount they spend) on a legal activity.


Actually I wouldn't say that law was designed to stifle competition, it was designed to foster democracy. And I'd argue it has, as all non-individual interests, corporate and union have been banned. And rich individuals can't use their wealth to disproportionately influence political outcomes as others have just said. In fact, I give Jean Chretien credit for brining it in.

Nonetheless I know you're not a fan of the Liberal Party, and neither am I, but maybe you should know that they were the party to disproportionately benefit from large individual donations. This is how we got to the sponsorship scandal in the first place, because certain individuals who could donate large lump sums bought the Liberal Party, so the Liberal Party could repay them in government cash for phony work. If you enjoy such corruption, sure let's not have any limits on donations. I for one look forward to a bunch of Oil Executives, and hard-core social conservatives buying Stephen Harper.

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KenS
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posted 30 July 2007 04:16 PM      Profile for KenS     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Yes, to give Jean Chretien credit: it was known from the beginning that this would be tough on the Liberal Party- they howled about it as soon as Chretien floated it, and never stopped.
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West Coast Lefty
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posted 30 July 2007 07:18 PM      Profile for West Coast Lefty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Yes, Chretien deserves some credit - but don't have any illusions about why he brought in that campaign financing legislation in 2003. It was direct payback against Paul Martin for having removed JC from office - Chretien knew PM would be hurt the most when corporate donations were outlawed.
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malpeque
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posted 30 July 2007 07:37 PM      Profile for malpeque     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
A move former lib party prez Stephen LeDrew described as 'dumb as a bag of hammers', mind you LeDrew himself later showed the world he was no rocket scientist either.

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