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Screaming Lord Byron
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posted 09 February 2006 10:52 PM      Profile for Screaming Lord Byron     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
http://www.helenaguergis.com/

Guergis Named Parliamentary Secretary for International Trade

Ottawa – Prime Minister Stephen Harper today named Simcoe-Grey MP Helena Guergis as the Parliamentary Secretary for International Trade.

“While discussing possible portfolios with Prime Minister Harper I explained the importance of my riding and how I focus on my constituents,” said Guergis. “Serving as Parliamentary Secretary for International Trade provides me with an opportunity to continue to work on behalf of my constituents and all Canadians.”

Simcoe-Grey has several industries that are affected by International Trade including a strong automotive sector where many of the supplier companies are struggling to compete against emerging markets. Local farmers are similarily having to compete against foreign subsidies that need to be dealt with through the World Trade Organization.

“I am honoured the Prime Minister has asked me to take on such an important role,” said Guergis.

http://www.helenaguergis.com/view-May30_05.htm

They also enticed Belinda Stronach with a cabinet post to cross the floor in the ultimate example of privileged queue jumping. I’m sure many Liberals feel stabbed in the back by their leader after he let the member from Newmarket-Aurora slide straight into cabinet

Simply put, these desperate measures by the Liberal/NDP coalition are ruining the finances of the country. The Liberal/NDP coalition needs to be replaced with an honest and principled Conservative government.

http://www.cbc.ca/ns/story/ns-stoffer20060209.html

The Conservatives put forward their own version of Stoffer's bill last year. It would have required MPs who cross the floor to run in a byelection within a month.

The bill was written and co-sponsored by Conservative MP Helena Guergis, one of many Conservatives who lashed out at Belinda Stronach when she left their party for the Liberals.

A spokesman in her office says there's been no talk of bringing back that bill.

Guergis is now Emerson's parliamentary secretary.

[ 09 February 2006: Message edited by: Screaming Lord Byron ]


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posted 09 February 2006 11:09 PM      Profile for deBeauxOs     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
There is an expression in French: "clouer le bec à quelqu'un", which means to nail the mouth shut. In this case, silence bought in return for political advantage. Do you think that Harpoon is executing all his sleazy maneuvers now, in the hope that voters will have forgotten his duplicity by the time the next election rolls around?
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Originally posted by Screaming Lord Byron: ... The bill was written and co-sponsored by Conservative MP Helena Guergis, one of many Conservatives who lashed out at Belinda Stronach when she left their party for the Liberals. A spokesman in her office says there's been no talk of bringing back that bill. Guergis is now Emerson's parliamentary secretary.

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Screaming Lord Byron
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I think there's been a horrible miscalculation - I reckon Harper believed he would have a grace period in which he would be excused for such actions. He was wrong, and it may even be fatal.
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quote:
Originally posted by Screaming Lord Byron:
[QBThe bill was written and co-sponsored by Conservative MP Helena Guergis, one of many Conservatives who lashed out at Belinda Stronach when she left their party for the Liberals.

A spokesman in her office says there's been no talk of bringing back that bill.[/QB]


Stronach could always reintroduce it.


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Michael Watkins
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posted 09 February 2006 11:33 PM      Profile for Michael Watkins   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Screaming Lord Byron:
I think there's been a horrible miscalculation - I reckon Harper believed he would have a grace period in which he would be excused for such actions. He was wrong, and it may even be fatal.

Sounds about right to me.

It'd be such a shame to see Harper go down to what amounts to be a Joe Clark moment.

Sadly, he'll eventually recover but at least he'll be under the spy glass from day one, not day 100.


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Quote: Sadly, he'll eventually recover but at least he'll be under the spy glass from day one, not day 100.

This is going to be fun politics, because in the wings we have M. Fortier, then Gordon O'Connor, and who knows what manner of delights Jim Flaherty and Tony Clement will shower upon us? Oh, yeah - let's not forget Stockwell Day and Vic Toews...! Holy cow. This is going to be painful... hope I can keep my sides from splitting. Flaherty, especially, has a look of the ominous about him... cue scary music.


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Screaming Lord Byron
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posted 09 February 2006 11:46 PM      Profile for Screaming Lord Byron     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Michael Watkins:

Sadly, he'll eventually recover but at least he'll be under the spy glass from day one, not day 100.


Even if this were all that will come to pass over Emerson, Harper's political capital is already fairly seriously depleted. Given his precarious position, and the fact that we are going to have a few months of parliament before the summer, he is now in the position that he cannot afford to take any further risks of this magnitude before the safety of June*. In effect, he's already put himself on probation in his first week on the job. That's achievement.

*Or whenever parliament breaks for the summer.


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posted 09 February 2006 11:50 PM      Profile for Michael Watkins   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I hope the note of optimism in the voices of Boom Boom and Screaming Lord Byron bears fruit. Agree with your analysis, but there's always a chance Harper might again enforce the discipline (on himself and others) they had during the campaign.

Although govt is much different than a campaign. Muzzling Ministers is going to be harder than keeping candidates quiet.


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posted 09 February 2006 11:51 PM      Profile for Boom Boom     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The National tried to get Con MP's to speak on camera tonight about the Emerson debacle, and aside form one or two, no one wanted to stop and chat - all were clearly embarrassed by the negative attention these stories are generating - Scheiber/Muldoon (Myron Thomson felt the story should be looked into!!!), M. Fortier, and Gordon O'Connor... geez, Harpoon should prorogue Parliament before it even convenes.
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posted 10 February 2006 12:03 AM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Sneaking and hiding already. What moral titans!
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Screaming Lord Byron
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quote:
Originally posted by Michael Watkins:
I hope the note of optimism in the voices of Boom Boom and Screaming Lord Byron bears fruit.

I am often guilty of over-optimism. I am an Alberta New Democrat, after all.

Still - it's always better to be an optimist in this game.


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posted 10 February 2006 12:58 AM      Profile for S1m0n        Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by N.Beltov:
Sneaking and hiding already. What moral titans!

Ha!

But what do you mean "already"? They've been doing for the entire election.


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posted 10 February 2006 02:09 AM      Profile for Vansterdam Kid   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by RealityBites:

Stronach could always reintroduce it.


That would be quite hilarious, I'd appreciate it. It would even have the bonus effect of making the Liberals look bad throughout all of this. It's funny because one of the most vociferous critics of Emerson locally has been Dosanjh.


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posted 10 February 2006 08:50 AM      Profile for N.Beltov   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I understand that Conservative PM Harper has appointed a junior Minister for Francophones that doesn't speak French! Wow. I wonder how Conservative backbenchers would react if they were represented by an M.P. that doesn't speak English!
What heavyweights! What moral titans! What an astonishing new regime! How different they are from the Liberals!

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posted 10 February 2006 08:55 AM      Profile for No Yards   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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How different they are from the Liberals!

About 50 IQ points.


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Originally posted by N.Beltov:
How different they are from the Liberals!

I'm pretty sure the Liberals have never started the first scandal of an administration at the swearing in ceremony.

I think you may need to go back to the days of Nero to find an appointment that was so immediately disastrous for a government's image.

Come to think of it, at least Nero had the good taste to appoint an entire horse.


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Originally posted by RealityBites:
Come to think of it, at least Nero had the good taste to appoint an entire horse.


ETA: This deserves to be in the Babble Quote Hall of Fame. I'm still giggling.

ETA: after reading Heph's note (next post), I still think RB's line is hilarious, even if the facts get in the way.

[ 10 February 2006: Message edited by: Boom Boom ]


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quote:
Originally posted by RealityBites:

Come to think of it, at least Nero had the good taste to appoint an entire horse.



*** Pedant alert ***

Ahhhh..... ackshully, that was Emperor Gaius, better known as "Caligula", who appointed a horse to the Senate, RB.

*** Alert over ***

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posted 10 February 2006 10:16 AM      Profile for stupendousgirlie     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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I think there's been a horrible miscalculation - I reckon Harper believed he would have a grace period in which he would be excused for such actions. He was wrong, and it may even be fatal.

I wouldn't necessarily say fatal, though it's pretty clear he blew his honeymoon period out the window before it even started. Canadians have come to expect this kind of conduct from it's national leaders, while it's probably unethical, it isn't corrupt to entice someone into cabinet.

The thing I am scratching my head on here is that there is no clear logic to this move when you calculate the political risk. So, either Harper completely miscalculated, or, I think it was intended to be payback for Belinda's defection.


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The logic according to Harper: Emerson is a very powerful BC business figure. Very powerful.
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Originally posted by Hephaestion:
Ahhhh..... ackshully, that was Emperor Gaius, better known as "Caligula", who appointed a horse to the Senate, RB.

Darn, you beat me to it. Nero was the one who fiddled with his lyre. Caligula fiddled and lied and said things like "Incitatus buddy, you're doing a heckuva job."

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Flaherty, especially, has a look of the ominous about him

It's more than just a look: his platform during the leadership convention was considered dangerously right-wing by conservatives who stood by Harris during Walkerton and Ipperwash. His own colleagues gave him the nickname "Jackboots" Flaherty.


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At least he's not the minister for Public Security or the Solicitor General; either would make Main Street heads explode.
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No, Stockwell Day is Minister of Public Safety.

Heads exploding 3... 2... 1... NOW


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Yabbut, the full title is "Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness," yes?

So when coastal areas start to flood because of rising sea levels, who better than Stockwell Day to direct the construction of an Ark?


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This looks the best thread to mock and discuss Harper's parliamentary secretaries. So let me offer this

quote:
Francophone groups and opposition MPs are raising concerns about an appointment in Stephen Harper's government after learning the parliamentary secretary for la Francophonie doesn't speak French.

Alberta MP Ted Menzies was sworn in on Monday as parliamentary secretary to la Francophonie and Official Languages Minister Josee Verner.


Menzies defends himself by demonstrating, twice (ala Jacob Two Two) that he can count to two.

quote:
But Menzies, who has taken a French immersion course and says he plans to continue learning, brushed off the criticisms.

"We have two official languages in this country. Not just French. Not just English. We have two official languages," said Menzies.



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oh, oh, oh ... you left out the best part!!
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"We have two official languages in this country. Not just French. Not just English. We have two official languages," said Menzies. Who better to represent Canada's two official languages than a minister from Quebec for the French and a parliamentary secretary for the English, he said.
Let me understand this ... Josée Verner speaks & writes French and English, Menzies - English and English. Yup, that would make sense to a "tête carrée".

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In one week Canadian Air Farce and This Hour has 22 Minutes has more material for their shows than they could have gleaned from the last 6 months.
Didn't the Conservatives get 10 seats in Quebec? What need was there to appoint a non Francophone to a post dealing with Quebec - none I would think.
I really wonder if Harper truly thought he was going to win government , he seems as unprepared to run the country as the Liberals were to run the last election.

[ 10 February 2006: Message edited by: faith ]


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Is it true that a Parliamentary Secretary for Women is a man? [Saw it in some blog]

Unfortunately Air Farce and 22 Minutes are off for a couple of weeks until the Olympics are done. I bet Harper is hoping people forget all about this mess. Not that we intend to.


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quote:
Originally posted by Contrarian:
Is it true that a Parliamentary Secretary for Women is a man? [Saw it in some blog]

Apparently so. Bev Oda is Minister of Canadian Heritage and Status of Women. http://pm.gc.ca/eng/bio.asp?id=49

James Abbott is her Parliamentary Secretary.
http://pm.gc.ca/eng/new_team_1.asp
His blurb does not mention SoW but no else's does either.


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posted 10 February 2006 11:33 PM      Profile for Cartman        Edit/Delete Post
Was Harper drinking when he put this cabinet together?
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Screaming Lord Byron
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If he wasn't, he should start.
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Harpoon is demonstrating that he is Da Boss and will do whatever the hell he wants to do, come hell or high water. He's in the driver's seat - who in the Opposition will try to bring his government down so soon? Harpoon has a ticket to ride so long as the Liberals are disorganized, effectively leaderless, and apparently broke. Harpoon and his thugs will ride roughshod over demeocracy as they have with Emerson, Fortier, and all the other stupid Cabinet choices he made.
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