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kyall glennie
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posted 13 November 2005 04:05 PM      Profile for kyall glennie   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
www.raiseaflag.ca

Please visit the website and sign the petition to demand of the Federal Government a fair Energy Accord for Saskatchewan. You may or may not know that the Equalization panel that was supposed to report to the government has been delayed six months - meaning Saskatchewan's nonrenewable resources are clawed back at a rate of 1.28 to 1 which hurts the development of our economy.

This is supported by all provincial parties (obviously led by the governing NDP) and federal opposition parties (Conservative & NDP).

If you're looking for background on the unfair formula, the best read is Professor Thomas Courchene's paper on equalization. As you'll likely agree, Saskatchewan, as a have province, is not benefitting from equalization whatsoever.


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pebbles
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posted 13 November 2005 04:19 PM      Profile for pebbles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by kyall glennie:
As you'll likely agree, Saskatchewan, as a have province, is not benefitting from equalization whatsoever.

Why should a "have" province benefit from equalization?


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A longsuffering conservative
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posted 13 November 2005 08:05 PM      Profile for A longsuffering conservative     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The "have" - "have not" province debate is a red herring.

This is a question of equality across provinces. The Atlantic Accord with Nova Scotia and Newfoundland & Labrador was the right thing to do, period.

Why should Saskatchewan, or any other province for that matter, be treated any differently? Prosperity in as much of Canada as is possible is good for all of us. Parochialism be damned. I will gladly sign on.


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pebbles
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posted 13 November 2005 09:24 PM      Profile for pebbles     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by A longsuffering conservative:
Prosperity in as much of Canada as is possible is good for all of us. Parochialism be damned. I will gladly sign on.

How does Endless Super-Equalization make Canada prosperous?


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Woodford
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posted 17 November 2005 11:55 PM      Profile for Woodford     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
What is the point of equalization payments if the people who dont need them are recieving them. These payments aren't meant to 'have' provinces.

i do want the best for all provinces, including Sask. but.....

Last winter ALL of Canada kicked up a fuss when Danny Williams, Newfoundland and Labrador's premier, was in negotiations over the Atlantic Accord, stating he still wanted to recieve equalization payments while recieving oil revenues as long as they were a 'have-not' province. I wish NFLD didnt have to get these payments, but they do. They need them.

But is the pot calling the kettle black?


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Aristotleded24
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posted 18 November 2005 12:54 AM      Profile for Aristotleded24   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by A longsuffering conservative:
The "have" - "have not" province debate is a red herring.

Whether or not Saskatchewan is considered a "have" province depends on whether equalisation is based on a 5 province or a 10 province standard, does it not?


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Prairie Fire
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posted 25 November 2005 10:00 PM      Profile for Prairie Fire     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
We have a small window of opportunity to hold Saskatchewan's vote as ransom to the highest bidder in the federal election. We need to come together as a province and put aside our party differences and truly look to the future. I propose an independant leader representing only a fair accord and nothing else. A leader whose only concern is the well being of our province. this person will encite a fire in the bellies of all Saskatchewan residents, from all walks of life to come together on this occasion to better the future of our home province. We have so much to offer and so much opportunity
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Nes Lessman
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posted 25 November 2005 10:30 PM      Profile for Nes Lessman   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Prairie Fire:
We have a small window of opportunity to hold Saskatchewan's vote as ransom to the highest bidder in the federal election. We need to come together as a province and put aside our party differences and truly look to the future. I propose an independant leader representing only a fair accord and nothing else. A leader whose only concern is the well being of our province. this person will encite a fire in the bellies of all Saskatchewan residents, from all walks of life to come together on this occasion to better the future of our home province. We have so much to offer and so much opportunity

So to hell with what's good for the country, it's all about each region playing politics.
Why is it again we have a confederation?


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AltaInd
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posted 25 November 2005 11:48 PM      Profile for AltaInd        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Nes Lessman:

So to hell with what's good for the country, it's all about each region playing politics.
Why is it again we have a confederation?


That's what Liberal policies have brought us to. I say ss a former Canadian patriot and now a person fervently in favour of Alberta independence, maybe you're finally starting to catch on. The Liberals have killed Canada.


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Prairie Fire
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posted 25 November 2005 11:56 PM      Profile for Prairie Fire     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
coming from a fat cat basking in the glory of a province keeping 100% of it's revenue
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AltaInd
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posted 26 November 2005 01:53 AM      Profile for AltaInd        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Prairie Fire:
coming from a fat cat basking in the glory of a province keeping 100% of it's revenue

Keeping 100% of it's revenue!!! Alberta pays into Canada more on a per capita basis by far than any other province: $1400.

In addition Alberta has never had its resource revenue excluded from the equalization formula since resource revenues were put into the formula. What Sask. wants and N&L got was exclusion of that income. If there was any equity in Canada, either provinces would have that revenue recognized (as is done to Alberta), or would have it excluded as Sask wants. Handouts, handouts, handouts, don't you Saskers ever get tired lobbying for more pogey?


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Deep Dish
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posted 26 November 2005 02:31 AM      Profile for Deep Dish     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
((so frustrated with the politics in this country I can't express it properly))
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Red Albertan
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posted 26 November 2005 11:21 AM      Profile for Red Albertan        Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by AltaInd:

Keeping 100% of it's revenue!!! Alberta pays into Canada more on a per capita basis by far than any other province: $1400.

In addition Alberta has never had its resource revenue excluded from the equalization formula since resource revenues were put into the formula. What Sask. wants and N&L got was exclusion of that income. If there was any equity in Canada, either provinces would have that revenue recognized (as is done to Alberta), or would have it excluded as Sask wants. Handouts, handouts, handouts, don't you Saskers ever get tired lobbying for more pogey?


As a fellow Albertan, I don't agree with your drive for carving the country up. I am appalled that Newfoundland & Labrador got their energy revenue excluded from Equalization calculations. That is total BS. I am not arguing for Alberta excemption on the same basis, but that all revenue from any government source should be counted into the equalization calculation in order that any province does not have to bear a disproportionate burden.


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Ghost of the Navigator
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posted 26 November 2005 11:29 AM      Profile for Ghost of the Navigator        Edit/Delete Post
I think it's outright bullshit that all of our resources are not benefitting all Canadians (Due to a combination of provincial greed and a willingness of federal governments present and past to sell our natural resources to interests in Washington and Beijing): Most of our provinces are little more than chunks of land created via acts of Parliament, and it's time, for the good of Canada, that they realise this simple fact and stop being selfish. The feds, for their part, must ensure that Canadian resources are controlled by Canadians rather than by Americans and by Chinese.

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Nes Lessman
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posted 26 November 2005 12:16 PM      Profile for Nes Lessman   Author's Homepage        Edit/Delete Post
Does that include Quebec's hydro?
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tallyho
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posted 26 November 2005 12:39 PM      Profile for tallyho        Edit/Delete Post
Ghost:

"Most of our provinces are little more than chunks of land created via acts of Parliament.."

and needed to be passed by the Parliament of the UNITED KINGDOM....the same house that passed the act that created the Dominion of Canada in the BNA Act.

The provinces do not come 'under' the federal government. They have distinct jurisdictions and powers.

It's 2005 and it's incredible any Canadian, after all the debate in the country over decades, would still think the Feds can toss provincial powers out the window. No wonder many Quebecers roll their eyes and claim that their national identity is only safe in an independent state.


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Prairie Fire
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posted 26 November 2005 04:23 PM      Profile for Prairie Fire     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
hey Alt, Read the paper on Confiscatory equalization link posted above. Then with a little knowledge under your belt, lend us your wisdom.
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