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Albireo
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posted 05 November 2003 12:08 AM      Profile for Albireo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
First Mike Harris, now Bernard Lord says he's staying out of the leadership race of the fledgeling Conservative Party.

Are there any national figures other than Lord who might be acceptable to both Reformers and Tories, and have a chance at competing east of Manitoba, and have credibility in Quebec?

The odds are increasing of getting a Stephen Harper-led Conservative party almost indistinguishable from the Alliance.

[Edited to add:] The thread title sounded so good, and the article was entitled "Lord still staying as N.B. premier -- Resists pressure to seek leadership of right-wing party". However, it doesn't look like he has completely ruled it out:

quote:
Lord admitted he's being urged to run for the leadership of the new party, and although he hasn't ruled out the idea, the premier said he's far from making that decision.
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"I think it's more important to focus on making sure that this merger is ratified," said Lord. "If the merger is not ratified ... all this talk and speculation of new leaders will be pointless."

[ 05 November 2003: Message edited by: albireo ]


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Mycroft_
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posted 05 November 2003 02:46 AM      Profile for Mycroft_     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Lord rejects Conservatives.

Anyway, not much of a surprise given that his government in NB has a one seat majority. How would it look if the government collapsed because of Lord's departure (particularly if the opposition wins his seat)? Lord is trapped in NB until the next election.


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posted 05 November 2003 02:53 AM      Profile for West Coast Lefty     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Lord will stay put for the reasons Mycroft mentions, but also because Harper has a lock on the leadership with Harris' withdrawal. Lord would have to declare immediately and begin mounting a serious fundraising campaign to have any hope of stopping Harper.

It is the CA with a new coat of paint - going nowhere fast, great news for Jack and the NDP as the only national alternative to CEO Paul Martin.


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Briguy
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posted 05 November 2003 03:30 AM      Profile for Briguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Lord also has a streak of red toryism to him. That doesn't play well with the Reformatory's power brokers. They want pure evil (Harris, Harper, or Klein) at the helm. Hell, Klein is probably their unattainable wet dream.
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ghoris
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posted 05 November 2003 04:35 AM      Profile for ghoris     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
Originally posted by Sarcasmobri:
They want pure evil (Harris, Harper, or Klein) at the helm.

That reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Stampy (Bart's elephant) walks across the floor of the Republican convention to cheers. The banners hanging from the ceiling read 'We Want What's Worst For You' and 'We're Just Plain Evil'.


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What makes you think Klein is unattainable?

He has always been coy about federal politics, but he's just cocky enough to try it out if he thought he'd get the leadership.

Of course, he'd be slaughtered in the election (I hope).


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Sean Tisdall
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posted 05 November 2003 04:49 PM      Profile for Sean Tisdall   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
"Oh sure, your concience makes you vote Democrat, but deep down you want a republican to lower taxes, brutalize criminals, and rule you like a king!"
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posted 05 November 2003 04:56 PM      Profile for HeywoodFloyd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
We already have Sideshow Bob in charge of the country.
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Rufus Polson
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posted 05 November 2003 05:03 PM      Profile for Rufus Polson     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Originally posted by HeywoodFloyd:
We already have Sideshow Bob in charge of the country.

We wish. Sideshow Bob is educated, indeed erudite, highly intelligent, and comes with the added bonus that his evil plans always fail.


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audra trower williams
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posted 05 November 2003 07:24 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
best thread title ever.
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Lard Tunderin' Jeezus
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posted 06 November 2003 01:48 PM      Profile for Lard Tunderin' Jeezus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
So, obviously all the private polling for the 'big names' is coming up with a big fat goose egg for the (neo-)Conservative Party.

Face it, if Lord or Harris had a hope in hell of winning, they'd be running. The fact that they won't means the 'united' right has already failed with Canadian voters.

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I'm sure that Elwin Hermanson will be available to run for leader soon.
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Nam
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quote:
Originally posted by arborman:
What makes you think Klein is unattainable?

He has always been coy about federal politics, but he's just cocky enough to try it out if he thought he'd get the leadership.

Of course, he'd be slaughtered in the election (I hope).


One thing about Klein is although he may be thuggish, a coward, a person who lies through his teeth, and an all 'round nasty piece of work, the fact is he has a lot of political smarts. He would never run for this position, because he knows deep down he would be creamed in an election, and wouldn't want to wait around in opposition for many years hoping for a better chance. Much better to be a big shit in a little pond, than a little turd in a big sea.


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One thing about Klein is although he may be thuggish, a coward, a person who lies through his teeth, and an all 'round nasty piece of work, the fact is he has a lot of political smarts.

He does -- which is why I for one was mystified when he encouraged Harris to run for the leadership. What could he have been thinking? Perhaps the political view from here is so dimmed by distance, Klein couldn't see that Harris would have little chance in Ontario, less in the Atlantic, and less than none in Quebec, and would thus have ensured that the Brave New Alliance continue its long slow slide into complete political irrelevance. Environment Canada has revived its "Hinterland Who's Who" spots with brilliant timing.

If I didn't know better, I'd have suspected some kind of mischief-making, or a prankish sense of humour otherwise little in evidence here in Ralph's World. Perhaps his political smarts apply only to him and his cronies.


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Albireo
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posted 17 November 2003 12:48 PM      Profile for Albireo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Well, this sounds quite decisive:
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"I'm not running. I've been clear on that since Day 1. Nothing has changed my mind," he said.

Lord won't run for right-wing leadership.


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Don Macfarlane
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posted 17 November 2003 07:11 PM      Profile for Don Macfarlane   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Are there any national figures other than Lord who might be acceptable to both Reformers and Tories, and have a chance at competing east of Manitoba, and have credibility in Quebec?

There is one, though I think the chances of his deciding to re-enter federal politics are very near zero:
Jean Charest. Obviously acceptable to Tories, and the Reformers might want to swallow having a Red Tory around for the "Greater Good" (or "Greater Evil", in this case).


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posted 17 November 2003 10:51 PM      Profile for N-SIGN     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:

I'm sure that Elwin Hermanson will be available to run for leader soon.

That one had me laughing out loud.

Two Words: Draft Pankiw!!!!


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spindoctor
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posted 18 November 2003 01:23 AM      Profile for spindoctor   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
If the PCs at least wanted somebody to maaintain the PC nature of the new party as a foil to Harper, wouldn't Gary Filmon be palatable?
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quote:
Originally posted by Don Macfarlane:

There is one, though I think the chances of his deciding to re-enter federal politics are very near zero: Jean Charest.


Frankly, if Charest gave up the premiership of Quebec to lead the Conservative Party, he'd be too nuts to consider voting for.


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Adam Smith
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There has actually been some talk about Filmon going for the leadership out here in Manitoba, not from him though.
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Albireo
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posted 25 November 2003 12:16 PM      Profile for Albireo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
While we're suggesting discredited former Premiers, why not Grant Devine?
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posted 25 November 2003 09:24 PM      Profile for Sean Tisdall   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Two Words:
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Albireo
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posted 26 November 2003 01:22 PM      Profile for Albireo     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Lord's denials are sounding a little less emphatic now.
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"I don't plan to be a candidate," he said. "I have a mandate from the people of New Brunswick, and my focus is in New Brunswick." He noted that his two children are still young and "that is enough to keep me in New Brunswick."
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However, PC sources said yesterday that they expect a new round of pressure on Mr. Lord to take the plunge. He was in Ottawa yesterday to meet with Prime Minister Jean Chrétien and his successor, Paul Martin. He was also to attend a fund-raiser for the New Brunswick PC Party, increasing speculation about his intentions.
And:
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Curiosity about Mr. Lord spiked yet again yesterday when he appointed Liberal MLA Bernard Richard as the province's new Ombudsman. Mr. Richard's appointment gives Mr. Lord a two-seat cushion in the legislature, a gap that might allow him to leave the premier's chair without jeopardizing his Progressive Conservative government.

Lord urges tolerance for new united party.


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quote:
Originally posted by albireo:
Lord's denials are sounding a little less emphatic now.

He said yesterday he's running for a third term as NB premier.

http://tinyurl.com/woig

Lord isn't stupid. He has nothing to gain by running for the leadership and losing to Stephen Harper. Let the morons in the Canadian Alliance fuck up yet another party, then come in and rescue it.


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