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audra trower williams
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posted 24 June 2002 01:22 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
In my experience, a "slate" is a list of candidates deemed acceptable (for a variety of reasons, some good, many daft) by the Party Establishment, and presented to the voters at convention to be voted in.

Also in my experience: They're anti-democratic, and their time has passed.


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vickyinottawa
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posted 24 June 2002 01:37 PM      Profile for vickyinottawa   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
actually, anyone can run a slate. The socialist caucus did for the last federal NDP convention, for example.

I agree that an official or even "official" slate is a bad idea. I'm not sure how many components of the NDP have one. There was no establishment slate at federal convention.


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audra trower williams
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posted 24 June 2002 07:17 PM      Profile for audra trower williams   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Nova Scotia has an official slate, as far as I can tell. And it sucks all kinds of ass.
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babbler 8
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posted 24 June 2002 07:23 PM      Profile for babbler 8     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Yeah, official slates are a bad idea. I don't like any process where a small committee appointed by executive decides who the executive is.

I find the socialist caucus slate fairly irrelivant though, since they have little credibility in the party.

I've made it my business to run against slates on more than one occation and come close. I encourage others to do the same until this out-dated practice is history.


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DrConway
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posted 24 June 2002 08:26 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Slate politics seems a bit bad to me as well, because it starts forcing polarization of choices. It also is all too reminiscent of what we want politics NOT to be, which is backscratching and backroom maneuvering to subvert the expression of popular will.
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IM
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posted 24 June 2002 09:07 PM      Profile for IM     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The justification for the slate here in Nova Scotia, as explained to me, is that the party has had difficulties in the past filling all the positions on the executive. The other issue was that of insuring gender and regional balance.

The problem is that these kinds of anachronisms pull down the party's reputation and works against involving new people in the party. The executive appoints a committee that then choses who to nominate for the executive. The nominating committee may bring one and only one name forward for each position.

At the last convention 100% of the slate was elected, despite opposition for every position. Though one VP position wasn't voted on because there was a woman running against the man brought forward from the slate. The table officers would have too many women if the man were to be defeated, so the man was acclaimed to the executive. So our party is also hard at work making sure there are equal numbers of men ruling the party.

The use of a slate by the socialist caucus I have no argument with. They can clearly defend their choices.

The use of an official slate here involved no explanation of the method used or the criteria applied. The slate was only made public on the Friday night before voting on Saturday. Even some of those who were elected through the slate told me that they felt it was time for the party to reform it's constitution and end this practice. Though not really practical, I would like to see the table officers elected through an OMOV process, allowing the membership to decide who is going to run it's party.


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Andrew Sadler
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posted 24 June 2002 11:14 PM      Profile for Andrew Sadler   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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The use of a slate by the socialist caucus I have no argument with. They can clearly defend their choices.

So slates are only unacceptable when they win? I find that difficult to accept. I don't like the suggestion that Barry should be allowed to sign a slate, while Bruce should be barred.


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IM
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posted 25 June 2002 12:31 AM      Profile for IM     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
If any group or individual wishes to promote a list of candidates for election, fine. If they want to campaign, great. If an environmental, socialist, or dinosaur caucus wants to promote people they think would make good members of the executive, bully for them. If the party's internal structure brings forward a list of approved executive candidates, and officially brings their names to convention, then for-shame. Several very qualified NSNDP members declined to be on the slate here because they were against an official slate, and lost a place on the executive because of their principles. And the party lost their skills and experience. This is not a situation where anyone is winning.

I see no defense for this sort of slate. It is not a question of winning or losing but a question of fairness. When the party is structured to put one slate forward, or raise one official, or 'official', slate above the others then something has gone wrong. Thankfully the ONDP is no longer my concern, but the news coming out of your convention seemed rather embarrassing. The NSNDP is currently well established in its own glass house, so far be it from me to throw stones. If I remember my ONDP politics there should be plenty of fellow Upper Canadians willing to criticize whatever it was that happened there.

What I would like to see is a process so clear and obvious that every member knows how their executive is chosen. A process so fair that any member could run for executive - and win or lose on their own merit. And a process so democratic that each card-carrying New Democrat felt that they have a say in how the affairs of their party are run. If we show Canadians that we have figured out a more fair, democratic and transparent way to run our own party - we will begin to earn the credibility needed to effectively criticize the other parties.


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Liam McCarthy
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posted 25 June 2002 12:09 PM      Profile for Liam McCarthy   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
BTW Andrew I thought that Gina Barber campaigned against the slate brilliantly when she said that she wasn't on any slates and she hoped that she wasn't on any hit lists either. I'm less concerned by the fact that Bruce Cox came up with a list than the fact that he put "official" on the top. It's not a healthy democratic process to have the outgoing exec select the incoming one. But by no means is this unique to the NDP.
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Mycroft_
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posted 25 June 2002 02:07 PM      Profile for Mycroft_     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I don't think it's the fact that Bruce signed a slate that was the problem. It's that he called his slate the "official" slate - when it wasn't, and that the executive didn't follow the approved guidelines of striking a search committee and having that committee put forward a list of names (coincidentally, one of Bruce's responsibilities is to ensure that such guidelines are followed - also coincidentally Bruce was provincial secretary for the NS NDP prior to assuming the position in Ontario
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Mycroft_
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posted 25 June 2002 02:11 PM      Profile for Mycroft_     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Here are the guidelines as they appear on the ONDP convention website which Bruce and the outgoing executive failed to follow:

From the ONDP Convention website:

Provincial Executive: Nomination & Selection
1. Prior to each Convention, the Provincial Executive will set up, from among its members, a Search Committee which will put together a list of those persons wishing to run for any position. This list is not to be a slate and shall be limited only by the conditions set out in Section 3 of this document (below).
2. An outline of responsibilities for Executive members will be prepared and circulated which will allow the Committee to inform prospective members of their duties.
Also, it will allow organizations suggesting nominees to keep in mind the need for people who can listen to and reflect specific interests in light of the broad-based character of the Party.
3. The Search Committee will seek out and encourage people to qualify for the Search Committee's list through either of two avenues:
a) By the endorsement of two recognized bodies as defined in the constitution (ridings, affiliates, central bodies, New Democratic Youth, Women's Committee, Ethnic Advisory Committees and Disability Caucus).
Any such endorsement must come from a proper meeting of the organization's executive (or, in the case of a labour union, a political education committee), or from a properly convened membership meeting of the organization.
Because of their isolation, candidates from Kenora-Rainy River, Thunder Bay-Nipigon, and Timmins-James Bay need only one endorsement to get on the list.
b) By the endorsement of a Caucus of Delegates at the Convention.
4. The Search Committee's list will be circulated to the delegates early in the Convention. The list will include the names of the endorsing bodies for endorsed candidates.
Meeting space and time will be made available at the Convention to allow delegates the opportunity to meet with any candidate(s) and to discuss issues.
As has been the custom, Candidate Biographies will be included in the Delegate Kits.
5. Any slate which appears on the floor of the Convention must be signed by the individuals sponsoring that slate. No more than three members of the outgoing Provincial Executive may sign any one slate.
6. During Convention meetings and caucuses, only Convention delegates may vote.
7. The elections for positions other than Members At Large will be held on Saturday, probably in three rounds as has been the custom, and the elections for Members At Large will be held on Sunday.
This schedule will permit defeated candidates to indicate their wish to stand for election to other positions.
8. Male/Female balance of Executive as a whole will be defined as a difference of no more than three between males and females.
9. Each Executive member will be assigned a number of ridings and/or affiliates with which the Executive member would liaise on behalf of the Executive. It is essential that there be two-way communication to promote good understanding of the Party's needs at all levels.
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Andrew Sadler
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posted 27 June 2002 06:58 AM      Profile for Andrew Sadler   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I think we're starting to see some agreement on one side develop --

The key problem isn't the existence of slates, or the drafting of slates by the (outgoing) provincial secretary -- the problem is the label that was put at the top of the page saying "official". That we can fix easily.

The secondary problem is that the "search committee" didn't do its job. (One was actually struck informally, but did not complete its task -- or no candidates submitted the required proof of endorsements.) That we can work on.

I'll commit to trying to correct both of these problems at the next convention.

Also not that the rules (listed previously) indicated that slates are permitted. So long as they are signed by endorsers, no more that three of whom are on the outgoing executive.


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