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clockwork
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posted 24 June 2002 12:05 AM      Profile for clockwork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
The Real Nazis
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Now, let's see who best fits this description. Is it the Norwegians? Hmmm. Not really. They're blond, socialist, and they don't like Jews as much as some of us would like, but that's about as far as it goes. How about the Argentineans? I don't think so. They have cool military uniforms and a lot of old Germans live there, but they aren't much interested in murdering lots of people. The Canadians? The Australians? The Kenyans? Nope, nope, nope.
I submit to you the obvious once again: the Arabs. Let's look first — and quickly — at the text.

This is funny on so many different levels. Then I thought of the reaction it would get here, and it made it even funnier.


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meades
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posted 24 June 2002 03:55 AM      Profile for meades     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Oy vey...
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lagatta
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posted 24 June 2002 11:32 AM      Profile for lagatta     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Except for acknowledging the existence of this type of crap, in a certain sense, what is the point of dragging it out? With his befuddled logic he could prove the Jews, or Judy Rebick for that matter, might be the "Real Nazis"...

Much better to look at concrete societies that have, as everywhere else, reactionary and progressive components. Brian Whittaker has written a series of interesting articles on Muslim societies in The Guardian, including this latest one on "Muslims" and the media looking at each other (with a funny conclusion)...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,742992,00.html

And sadly, another journalist who wrote many thoughtful pieces on Muslim societies was poor Daniel Pearl. He wrote beautiful pieces on topics such as music and its importance in Central Asia (just do a Google search - Daniel Pearl Wall Street Journal).

There is no question but that far-right, identity-based groups such as radical Muslim fundamentalists have similarities to fascism, but the analogies by this demagogue are strained and out of any context.


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satana
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posted 24 June 2002 12:09 PM      Profile for satana     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post

"We're not Nazis. Arabs are Nazis.
Actually, they're not,
but neither were the Nazis.
The West is the Best!
Lets hate Arabs!"

and he talks to high-school students?
This is nauseating.

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skdadl
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posted 24 June 2002 12:17 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
He appears to be William F. Buckley Jr's latest smarth-mouth twerpy young man. The writing is wild, isn't it? Beyond baroque, heading for rococo ...

(By the way, he's yet another socialism = nazisim deep thinker ... )

I think clock was ribbing some of us for getting repeatedly sucked in, against our better judgement, to some of the more overheated Israel/Palestine threads, yes, clock?


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jeff house
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posted 24 June 2002 01:39 PM      Profile for jeff house     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Amazing that he alleges, not that Al-Quaeda =Nazis, or Taliban=Nazis, but ARABS=Nazis.

I had always thought that being a Nazi depends upon what political opinion one holds, and not
what race or ethnic group one belongs to.


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clockwork
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posted 25 June 2002 12:16 AM      Profile for clockwork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I do not vouch for the content of my links. Nazi comparison seems to be a recurring theme on babble, so I thought I'd just add to the cornucopia of comparisons. And to be fair to Mr. Goldberg here, he doesn't directly equate Nazism with socialism, just says that it is a "mixture" of socialism, nationalism, etc, etc.

I'm surprised that no one has picked up one the claim that fascism could never take hold within the U.S. Goldberg talks about Nazism and lists a few characteristics: nationalism (patriotism?), burning desire to restore a past that may or may not have existed (no separation of church and state, the glory days of the "family"?), murder of people considered evil, inferior or dangerous (uh... gee... uh, Arabs = Nazis maybe? Seems "obvious").

Now, to explicitly state this, I don't think the U.S. is a fascist state, but, well, using Goldbergs little checklist, I can't help but wonder if there aren't fascist tendencies within certain streams of political thought.


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Smoov
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posted 25 June 2002 12:45 AM      Profile for Smoov     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
"Nazi Party" stands for:

National Socialist German Worker's Party

Sounds like a capitalist cult to me.


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pogge
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posted 25 June 2002 12:49 AM      Profile for pogge   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
...kerplonk!

(Thanks, 'lance.)


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clersal
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posted 25 June 2002 01:04 AM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Apart from the plonk...Some of what he says is true. Again it is not behind the reasons that are happening today.

We are supposed to infer that the problem here is again, anti-semitism. Anti-semitism and all the other antis are easy to summon up when needed. In everyday life a lot of co-habitation occurs.

The minute an emotional subject comes up everyone takes sides. We must look at these situations from, Who wants to gain something? Something tangible. Racism abstract.


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meades
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posted 25 June 2002 01:05 AM      Profile for meades     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
"Nazi Party" stands for:

National Socialist German Worker's Party


And what, exactly, was so socialist about the policies acted upon by them? Can you name anything? I can paint myself yellow, and say I'm Laa Laa from the teletubbies- that doesn't make it true.


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David Stapley
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posted 25 June 2002 01:08 AM      Profile for David Stapley        Edit/Delete Post
I hate to admit it but there are simply too many people using the Nazi word on this board way out of context. No one in today's modern society can possibly be a Nazi because as Smoov pointed out the National Socialist German Worker's Party is the definition of the word and they only governed from 1933 to 1945 in GERMANY! I don't think there are very many card carrying National Socialist German Worker's Party members left in this world, and if there were, Germany and Israel are looking for them! Now if you were to say that person is a RACIST because they have RACIST views simmilar to a NAZI, you could be correct. Unfortunately, that word is being used way too much as well, (edited) and I hate to admit it, BY THE LEFT WING!

[ June 25, 2002: Message edited by: David Stapley ]


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Michelle
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posted 25 June 2002 01:09 AM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Here we go 'round the Mulberry bush, the Mulberry bush, the Mulberry bush...
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clersal
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posted 25 June 2002 01:12 AM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I would guess David because it is also aimed at Israel. The feeling is that since one was the brunt of racism therefore it would be impossible for them to be racists.

Different generations. They don't have our memories.


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pogge
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posted 25 June 2002 01:22 AM      Profile for pogge   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
clersal (and clockwork):

Apologies if it wasn't clear that the plonk was aimed at Smoov. I shall plonk with more care in future.


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clersal
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posted 25 June 2002 01:24 AM      Profile for clersal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I realized who the plonk was for. A smoov plonk. that's why I plonked.
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David Stapley
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posted 25 June 2002 01:36 AM      Profile for David Stapley        Edit/Delete Post
There are many Israeli racists, there are even many African American racists, yet NO ONE can be a Nazi and the problem is too many people don't know that. There are many racist in this world of all nationalities. I would even go out on a limb and claim that there are racists in every nation on this planet. A racist doesn't follow generational of national distinctions, although, being a Nazi one must come from pre-WWII Nazi Germany. Hypothetically, for one to call me a Nazi I must be minimally over the age of over the age of 57 plus Hitler's tenure in office which was 12 years, plus the age of majority to vote in Germany which I don't know what it was (let's say 21). We thus come to a person who today would be the minimum age of 90!

Anyway, when I was looking for the voting age in the 1933 Germen election I came across an interesting article named Who Voted for the Nazi's?.


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clockwork
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posted 25 June 2002 03:14 AM      Profile for clockwork     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Crimey! I leave my thread alone for all of a couple hours and look what happens.

quote:
Unfortunately, that word is being used way too much as well, (edited) and I hate to admit it, BY THE LEFT WING!

Uh, yeah, bingo. Right on. All us lefties have the National Review bookmarked and read it regularly for it's insightful commentary.

Smoov:
You are, to use your own term, an 'idiot'. Have you compiled that list of chat boards from around the world that a super friendly yet? Until you do, can you keep you're asinine comments to yourself?

The point of this thread was not to get into a discussion about the Nazis. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt. The point is to have a laugh at some facile logic, not add to it.


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bittersweet
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posted 25 June 2002 04:37 AM      Profile for bittersweet     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
quote:
being a Nazi one must come from pre-WWII Nazi Germany

Pre-WWII? If you'd joined the party in 1942, you'd be as Nazi as if you'd joined in 1937. At any rate, that isn't a terribly useful notion because the spirit, not the actual political party, endures, which is what really matters. There are plenty of neo-Nazis among us, and in one form or another they've run entire countries (cf. the Argentine hunta in the 1980's, etc.). Furthermore, because Naziism is defined by more than its racist component, it's not unreasonable to find certain political views at least ugly bedmates, if not identical twins, of Nazi thought.

As a descriptive term, "Nazi" still has potential value, unfortunately. The irony is that this word is used so much as a general epithet that it has become devalued, and therefore the formerly powerful act of simply naming its adherents hasn't the stigma it once had. Imagine, merely fifty-some years after the holocaust, the absurdity of having to add once-redundant adjectives to lend authority and meaning to the word "Nazi".


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