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meades
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posted 03 December 2001 01:13 AM      Profile for meades     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Bill C-42, the new Public Security Act, is being attack from all sides.

The act would allow soldiers to be called in to "protect ships, military bases, or nuclear power plant from 'terrorists'", but it goes beyond that, as Minister of Defence, Art Eggleton has noted that it could be used to protect leaders at next June's G8 meeting in Kananaskis, Alberta. This resulted in NDP MP, Bill Blaikie, and PC-DR MP, Chuck Strahl, heavily critisizing both the bill, and the government. (read about it here)

The bill was also critisized by Québec's Minister of Public Security, Serge Ménard, and Bloc MP, Mario Laframbois, for what they call the bill's potential to allow Ottawa to occupy parts of Québec after a unilateral declaration of Independence after a vote in favour of separation, or even DURING A REFERENDUM TO INTIMIDATE THE PUBLIC!!!!
(If you speak French, read about it here)

Bill C-35, the brother of the other anti-terrorist bill, C-36, has the potential to take away the right to protest outside of meetings of foreign "dignitaries". It also expands the definition of an "internationally protected person". The frightful uses of this bill go on. (read about them here)

Will the attack on citizens who disagree with the government never end?!?!?!

[ December 03, 2001: Message edited by: meades ]


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NDB
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posted 03 December 2001 11:01 AM      Profile for NDB     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
meades - awesome research! Well done.

I'd offer to write to my MP again, but I'm becoming disheartened by her failure to respond.


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meades
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posted 03 December 2001 04:50 PM      Profile for meades     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Go over her head Carmen Provenzano, MP for Sault Ste. Marie, has a record for taking up to four months to respond! Write to any or every parliamentary secretary, secretary of state, minister, privy councillor, and yes, even the PM himself- not only voice your concern, but also mention how long it has taken your MP to give you the time of day, or wether you're still waiting! It might even raise a few voices in a caucus meeting- probably not, but it might!

This weekend I'll be writting- unfortunately, I don't have the time during the week, but that should change soon


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NDB
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posted 03 December 2001 05:26 PM      Profile for NDB     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
When I wrote my MP, the second time, on C-36 I cc'd all of the leaders. I got a lengthy response from Joe Clark (no one else) as he explained why the Tories didn't like the Bill, but would still vote for it.
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meades
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posted 03 December 2001 05:40 PM      Profile for meades     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Oddly enough, the first person to reply to me was Joe Clark as well, and it was a rather lengthy message- I bet you it was the same one
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skdadl
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posted 03 December 2001 05:41 PM      Profile for skdadl     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
You know who answers -- and answers fast, in my experience? Paul Martin (or whichever minion it is). Actually, it occurs to me that it might be worth deluging all the Liberal leadership contenders. Don't you think they all will want to be looking effective and in touch?

meades, you are a phenom. That's not just research; that's shapely, well-considered thought.


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Michelle
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posted 03 December 2001 06:27 PM      Profile for Michelle   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
I emailed my MP, Peter Milliken (Kingston and the Islands) about Bill C-36, and he has yet to get back to me. But then I told him that if he's just going to send a form letter by mail then to save the trees and not bother - I would prefer an email reply anyhow.
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bellows
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posted 03 December 2001 06:43 PM      Profile for bellows     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Keep you eye on Bill C43 or 44. This one may take away your right to vote, so the Liberal government can stay in power.
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posted 03 December 2001 08:10 PM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
We're a one-party state anyway, so that bill would just formalize the existing state of affairs (no pun intended).

As for Bills C-36 and C-42...

I could write my MP, but that's Libby Davies, so I'm sure she's already been deluged with letters and calls on the subject. I do, however, plan to write to Jean Chretien as well as whoever his new Minister of Public Security is.


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meades
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posted 04 December 2001 12:10 AM      Profile for meades     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
You'll probably want to e-mail these people then:

Lawrence MacAuley, Solicitor General, MP for Cardigan, PEI- MacAulay.L@parl.gc.ca
Anne McLellan, minister of Justice, MP for Edmonton Southwest, At.- McLellan.A@parl.gc.ca
Art Eggleton, minister of Defence, MP for York Centre, On.- Eggleton.A@parl.gc.ca
David Collenette, minister of Trasnport, MP for Don Valley East, On.- Collenette.D@parl.gc.ca

These are the people behind all of these restrictive, authoritarian pieces of legislation.

one thing you could do, is try to e-mail all of the backbenchers, and get them to vote against the government- don't know how succesful that would be, but for C-36, Andrew Telegdi voted against it- maybe his politically debilitating sense of morality is contageous (sp?)?!

More contacts and info:
Ministers
Ministers of the crown by province
Ministers, Parliamentary Secretaries, and Opposition Critics
Parliamentary Secretaries
Everyone else from this list is a backbencher
List of MP's by Political Affiliation
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Senators!!!- e-mail them and tell them where to shove C-36!!!


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meades
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posted 04 December 2001 12:12 AM      Profile for meades     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
bellows- do you have any information or links about C-43/C-44? If so, can you please post them here?
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David Kyle
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posted 04 December 2001 04:47 PM      Profile for David Kyle     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
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Bellows: Keep you eye on Bill C43 or 44. This one may take away your right to vote, so the Liberal government can stay in power.

Aren't we the little fatalist today.

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bellows
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posted 04 December 2001 09:34 PM      Profile for bellows     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Meades- No I don't have any information on bill 43 or 44, but under a dictorial government, they can pass any bill they want. Who can stop them?
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DrConway
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posted 05 December 2001 12:38 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
C-43(R) -- The Minister of State and Leader of the Government in the House of Commons -- An Act to amend certain Acts and instruments and to repeal the Fisheries Prices Support Act

Introduced and read the first time -- November 22, 2001
Debated at second reading; read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Transport and Government Operations -- November 30, 2001

C-44 -- The Minister of Transport -- An Act to amend the Aeronautics Act

Introduced and read the first time -- November 28, 2001
Order respecting its introduction and proceedings at second reading on November 30, 2001 -- November 28, 2001 (See Other Business No. 4)
Debated at second reading; read the second time and referred to the Standing Committee on Transport and Government Operations -- November 30, 2001

[ December 05, 2001: Message edited by: DrConway ]


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rasmus
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posted 11 December 2001 03:59 AM      Profile for rasmus   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,5673,616862,00.html
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DrConway
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posted 11 December 2001 04:11 AM      Profile for DrConway     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post
Two words: Star Chamber.
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